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    Re: Should airline pilots be allowed to have a loaded pistol on the plane?

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    I know some pilots that were for the Air Force and the majority of them fly corporate jets. So I don't know the quality of your friends who fly for commercial airlines. They don't get paid as good as a pilot for a corporation and most air force pilots are wanted to fly corporate jets. Not average jet lines.
    I can't speak for it now, but at one time, airline pilots made some high salaries in the past. No matter, their salaries or where they go for employment, most have had military experience, and won't have to go through any extensive training in handling a firearm. If that cockpit is barricaded, it will save a lot of lives as well.

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    Re: Should airline pilots be allowed to have a loaded pistol on the plane?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    I can't speak for it now, but at one time, airline pilots made some high salaries in the past. No matter, their salaries or where they go for employment, most have had military experience, and won't have to go through any extensive training in handling a firearm. If that cockpit is barricaded, it will save a lot of lives as well.
    They might have basic training in handling a firearm, but don't have training in handling firearms on an Airliner 40,000 feet up with 400 passengers on board. Special training should be required.

    Implementing full body scans might be the best solution. The new systems would have stopped the underwear bomber in his tracks. Keeping weapons and explosives off the planes in the first place is the key and we have the technology to do just that.

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    Re: Should airline pilots be allowed to have a loaded pistol on the plane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    They might have basic training in handling a firearm, but don't have training in handling firearms on an Airliner 40,000 feet up with 400 passengers on board. Special training should be required.
    No more than an armed security guard doing crowed control.

    They would carry the special ammo the air marshalls carry. Problem solved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Implementing full body scans might be the best solution. The new systems would have stopped the underwear bomber in his tracks. Keeping weapons and explosives off the planes in the first place is the key and we have the technology to do just that.
    This is just another added security feature which at some point they will figure a way around. Not saying don't do it, saying don't depend on any one thing.

    In the end, it is still up to the flight crew to protect themselves and the passengers.
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    Re: Should airline pilots be allowed to have a loaded pistol on the plane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    In the end, it is still up to the flight crew to protect themselves and the passengers.
    If a passenger manages to smuggle a bomb on board, the flight crew is completely useless in protecting the plane.
    Last edited by Dirty Harry; 12-31-09 at 12:28 PM.

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    Re: Should airline pilots be allowed to have a loaded pistol on the plane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No more than an armed security guard doing crowed control.

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    It is totally different than doing crowd control.

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    Re: Should airline pilots be allowed to have a loaded pistol on the plane?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    I can't speak for it now, but at one time, airline pilots made some high salaries in the past. No matter, their salaries or where they go for employment, most have had military experience, and won't have to go through any extensive training in handling a firearm. If that cockpit is barricaded, it will save a lot of lives as well.
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    Re: Should airline pilots be allowed to have a loaded pistol on the plane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    It is totally different than doing crowd control.
    No it's not. I was a police officer and I know that a crowed of people is a crowed of people. The only thing that will make a difference is not puncturing the aircraft. The dynamics and possible hostage situation is exactly the same.

    That is why I mentioned the special ammo which you ignored.
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    Re: Should airline pilots be allowed to have a loaded pistol on the plane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    If a passenger manages to smuggle a bomb on board, the flight crew is completely useless in protecting the plane.
    If they can get a bomb on board the security failed. And as we have seen, they were more effective without a bomb.

    9/11 mite have been averted had the pilots been armed.
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    Re: Should airline pilots be allowed to have a loaded pistol on the plane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    A gun will be such a comfort to a pilot as he plummets to earth, ready for any emergency, after the bomb explodes unannounced.
    Given that the issue here is the pilots' ability to defend the flight deck during a terrorist takeover attempt, your respose, above, is nothing but a rather stinky red herring.

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    Re: Should airline pilots be allowed to have a loaded pistol on the plane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post

    9/11 mite have been averted had the pilots been armed.
    Perhaps, but I doubt it. A locked cabin door like the Israelis used would have been more effective and it would have been averted completely had the weapons been discovered prior to departure.

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