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    Re: Did the system work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    I can't remember.. someone remind me.. did the plane crash? How many people died?

    They might as well let people take this PETN stuff on planes. The shoe bomber tried the same thing, and no one was hurt there either. It doesn't work.

    The system worked fine in this case. If anything, they are already too restrictive.
    The system failed in both cases. I don't remember how the shoe bomber was stopped but in the latest case there may have been a hole in the side of the plane if it had not been for a civilian that had no connection to security jumping the perp.

    Two strokes of good luck. The next time we may not be so lucky.
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    Re: Did the system work?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Well they can start by paying the security people a decent wage.
    They're supposed to get a decent wage. They work for the government.

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    Re: Did the system work?

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    So if a bomb did get through you'd say at least we weren't sissies? Personally a personal search is a small price to pay vs. taking a free fall at 30,000 feet with a few limbs missing and half burned.

    We live in different times that require we "grow a couple" and quit whining about searches before we board.
    There is an old saying, and it's true. If you give up your liberty for safety, soon you will have none. I too have witnessed these bully boys and their antics. They seem to love to pick out old gray haired people. They singled me out because I looked to fit for an old guy. Their words, too. Then the guy in Detroit said I didn't talk like I was from Detroit. Hell, he didn't even sound like he was American, more like the mideast. Being from the south, I don't talk like I'm from Detroit. Duh!

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    Re: Did the system work?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not 100% sure what we're going for here. I mean, there will never be a 100% system wherein we are never at risk. There will always be something which gets through the cracks. Some people take this as license to excuse government usurpation of powers and improper action; but even then it would be hard to make something 100% in this case even with total Big Brother government. I'd rather take the risk and be free than to run crying and whining to the government about being saved. But regardless, this guy got on and the passengers and air marshals stopped it. Good for them, highlights the natural resistance now posed to terrorists on a plane. But we shouldn't pretend like there will never be attempts anymore just because we made highly annoying security and such. Maybe in this case there should have been more done since there seemed to be a bit of information about this guy which authorities should have acted on. But in general, we should note that there will be attempted terrorist attacks from time to time. Of those attempts, every so often one will be successful. That's it. We're not 100% safe, never will be if freedom is what we strive for. Still, terrorism has less probability of affecting me than say drunk drivers. So since I'm not freaking out about drunk drivers, I'm not going to freak out about terrorists.
    From what I read no air marshal was aboard, and the only thing that kept this guy from blowing up the plane was that the device malfunctioned and blew up in his face. You're probably getting this story mixed up with another one involving a Nigerian man who locked himself in the bathroom. This prompted complaints from other passengers, probably because they couldn't use the bathroom, not because they thought the man was acting suspiciously.

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    Re: Did the system work?

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Who's afraid? I'm not. I say those who are whining about searches are the ones that are afraid. If you're scared of showing your penis or breasts in a scanner that's the true meaning of silly fear if you ask me. Last I knew we all have similar body parts being homo sapiens. When I hear people afraid to show what's under their clothes to a person that most likely has no interest whatsoever or is more intent on looking for objects i just shake my head in disbelief.

    All I'm saying is a few extra minutes before being boarded is much less an inconvenience then your plane going in to decompression in the least or coming apart at the extreme.

    And I would bet anything some of the same people that don't want their right violated would be the first ones to scream government incompetence when a plane blows up.
    Well, next time you go through the screeners, and they tell you to remove your shoes, remove all your clothes. Tell them you have nothing to hide.

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    Re: Did the system work?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    There is an old saying, and it's true. If you give up your liberty for safety, soon you will have none. I too have witnessed these bully boys and their antics. They seem to love to pick out old gray haired people. They singled me out because I looked to fit for an old guy. Their words, too. Then the guy in Detroit said I didn't talk like I was from Detroit. Hell, he didn't even sound like he was American, more like the mideast. Being from the south, I don't talk like I'm from Detroit. Duh!
    Being in the military I got used to bully boys (well actually they were usually minorities or women with a new found power) so I let it go in one ear and out the other. However there are ways to deal with them. Ask for their name (It's usually get's their attention), and when you get back home send a terse letter to their supervisor. I've gotten people fired this way before in another capacity. Typically if they have an attitude you're not the only one and if complaints form a pattern there may be repercussions. If enough people complain we can get rid of the low performing turds.
    Last edited by EnigmaO01; 12-29-09 at 11:18 AM.

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    Re: Did the system work?

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Janet Napolitano is quoted as saying the recent incident where the Nigerian attempted to blow up a plane, proof that they system works as it should. To me this is an ultimate example of spin, and insults my intelligence.

    I mean even though the man was warned about, and refused a student visa in the U.K., he was issued a visa for the U.S., got bomb material past security, and if not for a civilian may have succeed in downing a plane. If this proves the system works I've got some ocean front property to sell you in my home state of Indiana.

    What do you think?
    The system works as it should? What system was she talking about?

    The one where a guy was able to get an explosive device on an airplane, only to have it fizzle and have a civilian jump on it and him in an attempt to make sure it wasn't going to do any damage?

    That system??

    Yeah.. sure. It's working alright.
    Fool me once, shame on you.
    Fool me twice....shame on me.

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    Re: Did the system work?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    From what I read no air marshal was aboard, and the only thing that kept this guy from blowing up the plane was that the device malfunctioned and blew up in his face. You're probably getting this story mixed up with another one involving a Nigerian man who locked himself in the bathroom. This prompted complaints from other passengers, probably because they couldn't use the bathroom, not because they thought the man was acting suspiciously.
    I see, I think early reports had said something about air marshals. But whatever, my point still stands. Ain't nothing going to be 100%. Well less of course you wanted to just abolish the commercial travel.
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    Re: Did the system work?

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    I know somebody will get miffed and ping me for this, but Napolitano probably didn't want to profile a black man since our President is black. Instead, she spent time profiling white conservative, anti-abortion, Christian gun owners as potential terrorists. I wonder how many resources were spent trying to discover why we white conservatives owned guns and were buying ammo and for what nefarious purposes?
    No security system will ever work well when racism is introdued...This also applies to ignorance..
    If this bastard was denied a visa in England, we should have listened and taken the same action..
    Why was a VISA granted?

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    Re: Did the system work?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Well they can start by paying the security people a decent wage.
    It's not like they get paid the same as some one flipping burgers at McD's.

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