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The New TSA Regulations: Good Call or Asinine?

These new TSA regualtions: good idea, or asinine?

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Travelsonic

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These are some of the new TSA regulations implemented after the Delta/Northwest explosives incident:

Under new rules enacted by Transport Canada and the U.S. Transportation Security Administration, passengers and their carry-on baggage will be subject to full searches both at airport screening points and prior to boarding at the aircraft gate area.

In addition, new rules imposed by Transport Canada will limit the amount of carry-on baggage to one item per person travelling on flights from Canada to the United States.

New rules imposed by the U.S. Transportation Security Administration also limit on-board activities by customers and crew in U.S. airspace that may adversely impact on-board service. Among other things, during the final hour of flight customers must remain seated, will not be allowed to access carry-on baggage, or have personal belongings or other items on their laps.
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From Air Canada's website. Also on a few other airline's websites, I think American's is one of them.

What do you all think, a good step n the right direction, completely batsh*t asinine, neither, or all of the above?
 
Why are these called 'New TSA regulations'? My person/carry on have been searched every time I've boarded a plane in the last 2 years. Am I the only one who gets their carry-on xrayed? I've had the viking looking security guards do 'random' searches about 5-6 times. Not sure how 'new' these are but I thought they were in place already. Maybe it's now 'every' person this is done to but I thought it was already being done.
 
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Hatuey said:
Why are these called 'New TSA regulations'? My person/carry on has been searched every time I've boarded a plane in the last 2 years.
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Well now they're going to search it twice

BOO-YAH BIN LADEN!

In addition, new rules imposed by Transport Canada will limit the amount of carry-on baggage to one item per person travelling on flights from Canada to the United States.
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That'll deter them terrorists. Obviously nobody could take down a plane with just one carry-on
 
Hatuey said:
Why are these called 'New TSA regulations'? .
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This part mostly:

New rules imposed by the U.S. Transportation Security Administration also limit on-board activities by customers and crew in U.S. airspace that may adversely impact on-board service. Among other things, during the final hour of flight customers must remain seated, will not be allowed to access carry-on baggage, or have personal belongings or other items on their laps.
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AND the gate searches no loger being random/selective.
 
Kernel Sanders said:
Well now they're going to search it twice
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Maybe it is to avoid the possibility of people who work at the airport sneaking in explosives. But that is kind of redundant considering they are some of the most scrutinized employees in any industry.
 
Sounds pretty ridiculous to me. Has there been any news yet regarding what kind of explosive this guy tried to use, or how he got it on the plane in the first place?

Steven Levitt made a good point in Superfreakonomics about these kind of regulations: They're always a precaution against the LAST attack, not the NEXT attack. Richard Reid, who never successfully killed anyone with his "shoe bomb," has cost the American public about 15 lifetimes of inconvenience, in the form of taking off their shoes every time they go through security.
 
Travelsonic said:
These are some of the new TSA regulations implemented after the Delta/Northwest explosives incident:



From Air Canada's website. Also on a few other airline's websites, I think American's is one of them.

What do you all think, a good step n the right direction, completely batsh*t asinine, neither, or all of the above?
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or have personal belongings or other items on their laps
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is asinine. Just because something isn't in your lap doesn't mean that it's not on your person. It's quite simple to put your hands in your pocket and trigger a detonation device if one is going to do such idiotic things. So basically it restricts innocents while doing absolutely no good towards possibly getting those that are willing to blow themselves up anyways.

The rest of it I don't mind. In fact I think that no one should be allowed ANY carry on luggage to begin with.
 
Kal'Stang said:
The rest of it I don't mind. In fact I think that no one should be allowed ANY carry on luggage to begin with.
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What exactly are people supposed to do on a plane then if they can't carry on anything?
 
Kandahar said:
Sounds pretty ridiculous to me. Has there been any news yet regarding what kind of explosive this guy tried to use, or how he got it on the plane in the first place?

Steven Levitt made a good point in Superfreakonomics about these kind of regulations: They're always a precaution against the LAST attack, not the NEXT attack. Richard Reid, who never successfully killed anyone with his "shoe bomb," has cost the American public about 15 lifetimes of inconvenience, in the form of taking off their shoes every time they go through security.
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I agree. I think this is an over reaction. We are letting the terrorists win by putting our citizens through all this over the top security.
 
molten_dragon said:
What exactly are people supposed to do on a plane then if they can't carry on anything?
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There's a few things that they can do. Sit and relax. Watch the in flight movie. Listen to the music that is provided. Strike up conversations with people. Sleep.
 
Nutso comes to mind. It is these kind of rules that makes you think that the terrorists have won..
 
Kandahar said:
Sounds pretty ridiculous to me. Has there been any news yet regarding what kind of explosive this guy tried to use, or how he got it on the plane in the first place?

Steven Levitt made a good point in Superfreakonomics about these kind of regulations: They're always a precaution against the LAST attack, not the NEXT attack. Richard Reid, who never successfully killed anyone with his "shoe bomb," has cost the American public about 15 lifetimes of inconvenience, in the form of taking off their shoes every time they go through security.
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I must admit I'd like to plant my shoe in his ass......;)
 
PeteEU said:
Nutso comes to mind. It is these kind of rules that makes you think that the terrorists have won..
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We have to protect ourselves from Muslims & other third world scum....;)
The real easy soloution would be no carry-ons at all.......;)
 
Completely asinine. None of these measures would have prevented what this guy tried to pull off. It's all a big dog and pony show that accomplishes nothing but causing more grief for passengers. But it makes the TSA and the airline industry look like they are doing something because...well we have to do something!
 
Kal'Stang said:
There's a few things that they can do. Sit and relax. Watch the in flight movie. Listen to the music that is provided. Strike up conversations with people. Sleep.
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Kinda difficult to listen to in flight music or watch an in flight music if you travel on most MD-82/MD-83/MD-87/MD-88, DC-9, older 737s (-100s, -200s,, etc), Fokker 50s, 70s, 28s and 100s, 717s, 727s (regardless of whether or not any still fly here in the states) Bombardier DHC-8 series, ERJ and CRJ type aircraft, , etc since the airlines chose to not install any IFE on those types. And if you can't have anything in your lap, or on your persons, your own form of IFE is easier, but still risky with asshats like that FA Helen who exploded on a First Class passenger on American - all he wanted was orange juice.

The other suggestions are easier said than done.
 
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The only way to prevent what this guy did is to install those new full body scanning machines (the ones that see you nekkid) at all airports or to pat-down every single passenger before they board the aircraft. None of this carry-on restrictions and being forced to sit down for the last hour is going to be of any help other than to give the impression that "something is being done". This guy had the powder explosives taped around his leg and there was no way that was going to be detected with today's screening devices. As for not being allowed out of your seat for the last hour of flight, that is beyond retarded. The guy will just do it 2 hours before landing instead. How stupid do these agencies think people are anyway? :confused:
 
Arcana XV said:
The only way to prevent what this guy did is to install those new full body scanning machines (the ones that see you nekkid) at all airports or to pat-down every single passenger before they board the aircraft. None of this carry-on restrictions and being forced to sit down for the last hour is going to be of any help other than to give the impression that "something is being done". This guy had the powder explosives taped around his leg and there was no way that was going to be detected with today's screening devices. As for not being allowed out of your seat for the last hour of flight, that is beyond retarded. The guy will just do it 2 hours before landing instead. How stupid do these agencies think people are anyway? :confused:
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I agree, that is a stupid idea.....;)
 
Partisan said:
We have to protect ourselves from Muslims & other third world scum....;)
The real easy soloution would be no carry-ons at all.......;)
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Another easy solution.. dont meddle in their business in the first place.

But regardless. The more "security" they put in place the less freedom we have, and hence the terrorists have won since that is often their goal.

plus those security regulations they have put in place now after this is just... stupid. Not allowing that passengers can see in the online systems where they are,.. yea that also means in most cases that no on board entertainment. Great on a 5 hour flight... especially if the airport nazi's forced you to check in your bags with your reading material....

Sorry but it is the typical over reaction by government (regardless of what political colour) and by the people who use such acts by terrorists to promote their own political ideology and gain more power.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
There's a few things that they can do. Sit and relax. Watch the in flight movie. Listen to the music that is provided. Strike up conversations with people. Sleep.
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I'll try to remember that next time I fly on a Saab 340 out of our local airport! LOL You really need to get a clue, man. Not every airliner has an in flight movie! LOL :rofl

We have 4 airlines that serve our local airport and not one of them carries more than 50 people. NONE have in flight movies. And most people traveling don't want to talk to some stranger stuck on a plane with them. And GOOD LUCK sleeping on a Saab. You'd be better off trying to sleep on a freight train.
 
Sgt Schultz said:
Completely asinine. None of these measures would have prevented what this guy tried to pull off. It's all a big dog and pony show that accomplishes nothing but causing more grief for passengers. But it makes the TSA and the airline industry look like they are doing something because...well we have to do something!
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This is destructive critism.
Anything constructive?
Are you an expert in this area?
I, for one, am not happy about all this security, but in todays world, it is necessary.
Its the root cause of terrorism that must be addressed.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
I'll try to remember that next time I fly on a Saab 340 out of our local airport! LOL You really need to get a clue, man. Not every airliner has an in flight movie! LOL :rofl

We have 4 airlines that serve our local airport and not one of them carries more than 50 people. NONE have in flight movies. And most people traveling don't want to talk to some stranger stuck on a plane with them. And GOOD LUCK sleeping on a Saab. You'd be better off trying to sleep on a freight train.
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And you have no other mode of transport, something that is more luxurious?
Why not a book about personal transport of 100 years ago, then maybe there would be some appreciation of today's transportation.
 
earthworm said:
Why not a book about personal transport of 100 years ago, then maybe there would be some appreciation of today's transportation.
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How much farther do you want us to bend over, sir? :rofl

In all seriousness, flying is supposed to be comfortable, when you aren't even able to entertain YOURSELF due to asinine and pointless security rules, and you make us live in fear, then we got issues.

Thank you TSA, the terrorists have won.
 
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What you all seem to be forgetting is that when they are talking about carry on luggage it is those backpacks and tote bags that they are talking about. NOT what you can carry in your pocket. How many of you own a portable dvd player, labtop, Ipod, PS portable, a Book etc etc? Bring one and enjoy.

I was just listing the things that you can do if you don't have anything. Which there is one more thing that you could do. Sit and stare out the window. Or think.

Seriously I have got to wonder how people think other folks got along before we had all the conviences that we have today. :confused: :roll:
 
For all United States bound aircraft originating in a foreign country and including Puerto Rico and the United States Virgin Islands:

- Passengers will not be able to leave their seat from approximately one (1) hour prior to landing. The cockpit will inform in-flight personnel when this should be enforced.
- In-flight and cockpit personnel must refrain from making any PA announcements regarding the position of the aircraft or landing announcements. Cockpit personnel will use the IF alarm system to warn in-flight personnel to take their seats prior to landing.
- Passengers will be allowed one carry-on item or one personal item and will not be able to access this item during the one (1) hour period prior to landing.
- No items can be used/held/accessed/accessible by any passenger, including personal electronic devices, magazines, newspapers, books, etc. during the one (1) hour pre-landing period.
- In-flight personnel must collect First / Business Class PED one (1) hour and thirty (30) minutes prior to landing.
- In-flight personnel must collect all pillows and blankets one (1) hour prior to landing. Pillows and blankets must be stored in the galley and not in overhead bins.
- All on-board fixed IFE systems will be disabled and not available to our customers. Do not run or attempt to run any fixed IFE system.

Terror At Metro
 
Personally I consider breaking apart at 30,000 feet moving 700 mph a lot more inconvienent than any of the new requirements. In fact I think it's about time. I've seen a pattern of getting lax after each terrorist incident. As I indicated in another post our inspection of our luggage a few days ago missed several things.
 
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