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Thread: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Advertising is not covered under the first amendment. it never has been.
    That's not correct.

    Now, commercial speech is a less-protected form of speech -- and to be honest, I was waiting for someone to bring it up, just to see if they actually knew anything about First Amendment jurisprudence -- but it's still speech and it's still protected, just not the same degree as political speech.
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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Plenty of research indicating that ads being louder increases their effectiveness. That's why it's done.
    Bring it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You want to take on my "Bolero" question head on? Is volume irrelevant to it?
    Your Bolero question is irrelevant. We're talking about television commercials that are attempting to influence viewers to do something/take some sort of action.

    But if you really want to embarrass yourself further...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Is it the same piece of music if it remains at its initial quiet volume all the way through?
    Yes. It is the same piece of music at any volume. By cranking it up, you're not changing the content, only the manner of presentation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Would a movie be the same movie if an explosion were required to be at the volume of a church mouse?
    Yes. It is the same movie at any volume. By cranking it up, you're not changing the content, only the manner of presentation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Anything that's done to contribute to the effectiveness of the message is content.
    No. You're simply wrong. I've already shown how you're wrong. Accept it or don't; it's your misunderstanding and your problem, not mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Besides, MyOwnDrum already conceded the point when he admitted that changing the brightness of a sign changes its content.
    Well, then, MyOwnDrum was wrong, too. *shrug*


    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    her definition of "content" includes:

    8. volume, area, or extent; size.
    9. the amount contained.
    I knew you'd fall for this, Harsh.
    Last edited by Glinda; 01-04-10 at 06:18 PM.

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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Bring it.
    I'm guessing you're not going to find the research conducted by marketing companies themselves "legitimate," right? This is what the marketing firms I've consulted for have told me. (Of course, why would they be interested in anything but good data?)


    Your Bolero question is irrelevant. We're talking about television commercials that are attempting to influence viewers to do something/take some sort of action.

    But if you really want to embarrass yourself further...



    Yes. It is the same piece of music at any volume. By cranking it up, you're not changing the content, only the manner of presentation.



    Yes. It is the same movie at any volume. By cranking it up, you're not changing the content, only the manner of presentation.



    No. You're simply wrong. I've already shown how you're wrong. Accept it or don't; it's your misunderstanding and your problem, not mine.



    Well, then, MyOwnDrum was wrong, too. *shrug*
    I see. So, you just say the same things with sharper language, and that puts it to rest. I dun bin told. Yee-haw!

    The "Bolero" question is perfectly relevant.

    You're obviously not familiar with it, so I'll explain -- the piece of music depicts a woman doing a dance which becomes more and more intense, and she eventually dies from doing it. The gradual increase in volume over the duration of the piece represents the increasing intensity, and lethality, of the dance, so it is absolutely, 100% part of the music. No, it is NOT the same if you play it all at the same volume.

    Similarly, a quiet explosion detracts from the impact of the film. Frankly, only someone stubbornly locked into an indefensible position would argue that it doesn't.

    It doesn't matter what the commercial is meant to do when the matter is over whether or not volume is content.


    I knew you'd fall for this, Harsh.
    Uh . . . fall for what? Do you think I'm "falling" for the word "volume" as used there? Perhaps you should read I wrote pertaining to it a bit more carefully.
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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Before people bring on the official research, how many of you have honestly been turned off by advertising before, during, after a program you:

    1) Keep the volume as is

    2) Mute

    3) Turn down volume to acceptable level

    In my experience once the volume has become irritating enough, people mute the commercials and pay close to zero attention to the ads-simply because they created an irritating viewing experience. Unless the ad is funny or interesting enough, I think most people do not have enough of a value upon advertising to deal with the continuous effort of lowering or muting the volume to maintain an equal field with their programming.
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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Don't like loud commercials?

    Tell your cable company that when they stop the BS with the advertisements they can call you and you'll resubscribe.

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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I'm guessing you're not going to find the research conducted by marketing companies themselves "legitimate," right? This is what the marketing firms I've consulted for have told me. (Of course, why would they be interested in anything but good data?)
    "I've been told." So, nothing that's documented...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I see. So, you just say the same things with sharper language
    No. I've used the proper language. Vast difference from your attempts to bend the meaning of words, my friend.

    Now here you go trying to change the subject, which is, may I remind you, the outside manipulation of volume for television commercials. But, because you need some schoolin'.....


    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You're obviously not familiar with it, so I'll explain -- the piece of music depicts a woman doing a dance which becomes more and more intense, and she eventually dies from doing it. The gradual increase in volume over the duration of the piece represents the increasing intensity, and lethality, of the dance, so it is absolutely, 100% part of the music.
    Sonny Jim, I'm completely cognizant of the piece in question. You pretending otherwise won't change the fact that you're still wrong - the song in question remains the composition in question, regardless of the volume.

    Find any recording of Bolero and the volume increases/decreases AS THE INSTRUMENTS ARE PLAYED, without anyone having to manually manipulate the volume of the technology that is reproducing the composition.

    In other words, the musicians are playing their individual parts more vigorously and with more force in certain portions of the piece. The final recording is true to the volume increase that was intended by the composer. Changing the volume manually does not change the volume at which each of the instruments were played during the performance/recording. NOR does it change the musical piece in question.

    Perhaps you're trying to say that you MANUALLY increase the volume as the song plays, because your physical manipulation of the recording will somehow "improve" on the original song.

    Really?

    Or maybe you're trying to tell me that Ravel instructed everyone (in perpetuity) that plays a recording/reproduction of his works should manually increase the volume at bars 36-42 (or whatever)...

    Seriously, man.
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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I dare say, this law most likely reflects the will of 90% of television viewers. Isn't our representative government supposed to make laws that the people want? This law is an easy call. Most people would want this law.
    I'm not seeing the clause in the Constitution allowing the government to regulate the volume of cable television commercials.

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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This is reminiscent of a science fiction book (I forget the name or the author) I read, back in the early '70's. in the book, an inventor became famous for inventing "Adnix", a device which, when attached to the TV set, muted all commercials. Advertisers were up in arms over it, but to no avail. But the inventor's downfall was when he invented another device called "Preachnix", which muted everything said by televangelists, and that just pissed off too many people. LOL.
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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    What about rules limiting billboard sizes in municipalities and states across America? Does that also violate free speech?
    Yes, it does.

    If people don't like billboards, they can ignore them.

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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    We have had those Law in Texas for quite awhile. ---New bill boards are hard to get approved, and have strict size standards. Which is cool. why should we have to look at some guys sign as we roll down the Highway? Put it on his own lot.
    "Put it on his own lot"....hmmmm.....so if someone purchases a quarter acre next to I-10 he can put up a gigantic billboard, but if he wants to lease someone else's quarter acre he can't?

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