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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Nuisance laws are not about the people watching. It's about the people who aren't who are bothered by the noise coming from it. Or the people who aren't at your party being bothered by your loud music.
    As with most ordinances, the one who makes the complaint is the one that the Cops respond to. If the neighbor complains that my music is to loud, the Cops tell me to turn it down. It's the noisy wheel getting the grease kind of thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    As with most ordinances, the one who makes the complaint is the one that the Cops respond to. If the neighbor complains that my music is to loud, the Cops tell me to turn it down. It's the noisy wheel getting the grease kind of thing.
    Strangely enough, that is what I just said.
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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Its called Dynamic Range Compression, people - ratboy's anvil 2 The law mentions "average loudness", so hopefully they won't be able to just compress the commercials' dynamic range to get around the limits.

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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

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    I am amazed that others are so frail that they need the government to protect them from loud commercials. I stress yet again, that all Government actions are backed by the threat of deadly force, so that what we have here, is the Congress willing to guard your volume control with firearms. This is simply pathetic.
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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Advertisers keep the volume high because it ads to the effectiveness of the advertisement.
    Wrong-o! The only affect initiated by loud commercials is me hitting the mute or changing channels. Show me one legitimate study that proves a commercial is more effective (i.e. an individual is more inclined to purchase/use said product/service due solely to the volume/loudness of a commercial) when the viewer is subjected to hearing damage. Just one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's content.
    I'm afraid you're wrong again.

    con⋅tent
    1  /ˈkɒntɛnt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kon-tent] Show IPA
    Use content in a Sentence
    See web results for content
    See images of content
    –noun
    1. Usually, contents.
    a. something that is contained: the contents of a box.
    b. the subjects or topics covered in a book or document.
    c. the chapters or other formal divisions of a book or document: a table of contents.
    2. something that is to be expressed through some medium, as speech, writing, or any of various arts: a poetic form adequate to a poetic content.
    3. significance or profundity; meaning: a clever play that lacks content.
    4. substantive information or creative material viewed in contrast to its actual or potential manner of presentation: publishers, record companies, and other content providers; a flashy Web site, but without much content.
    5. that which may be perceived in something: the latent versus the manifest content of a dream.
    6. Philosophy, Logic. the sum of the attributes or notions comprised in a given conception; the substance or matter of cognition.
    7. power of containing; holding capacity: The bowl's content is three quarts.
    8. volume, area, or extent; size.
    9. the amount contained.
    10. Linguistics. the system of meanings or semantic values specific to a language (opposed to expression ).
    11.
    a. Mathematics. the greatest common divisor of all the coefficients of a given polynomial. Compare primitive polynomial.
    b. any abstraction of the concept of length, area, or volume.
    1b and 4 cover it quite nicely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If it's "common sense" that volume is not content, would you argue that volume is irrelevant to music? That, say, "Bolero" would be the same piece of music if it didn't start off very quiet and slowly gain volume as the intensity of the dance increased?
    Again, volume isn't content. See definition above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And "respect for the audience"? That's a legitimate area for regulation of speech? Really?
    a. What's wrong with identifying a standard and making advertisers stick to it, else be fined?

    b. It's not regulation of speech (i.e., content), it's regulation of volume (i.e, manner of presentation).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Wrong-o! The only affect initiated by loud commercials is me hitting the mute or changing channels. Show me one legitimate study that proves a commercial is more effective (i.e. an individual is more inclined to purchase/use said product/service due solely to the volume/loudness of a commercial) when the viewer is subjected to hearing damage. Just one.
    Plenty of research indicating that ads being louder increases their effectiveness. That's why it's done.



    I'm afraid you're wrong again.
    You want to take on my "Bolero" question head on? Is volume irrelevant to it? Is it the same piece of music if it remains at its initial quiet volume all the way through?

    Would a movie be the same movie if an explosion were required to be at the volume of a church mouse?

    Don't dodge.


    1b and 4 cover it quite nicely.



    Again, volume isn't content. See definition above.
    Anything that's done to contribute to the effectiveness of the message is content.

    Besides, MyOwnDrum already conceded the point when he admitted that changing the brightness of a sign changes its content.



    a. What's wrong with identifying a standard and making advertisers stick to it, else be fined?
    The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Pardon me; I take it seriously.


    b. It's not regulation of speech (i.e., content), it's regulation of volume (i.e, manner of presentation).
    Taken care of, above.

    Look, I get that many of you are perfectly OK with simply outlawing things that annoy you personally. But that's not really the standard a free society is based on, like it or not.
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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    By the way, MyOwnDrum, why are you thanking Glinda when her definition of "content" includes:

    8. volume, area, or extent; size.
    9. the amount contained.
    This is what you argue the audio volume is, especially as you specifically compare the concept to the size or area of a sign.
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    Harshaw, how does this legislation violate the first amendment?
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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Harshaw, how does this legislation violate the first amendment?
    Read what I wrote -- it's a content-based restriction on speech.

    Before you argue with me on that, go back and read everything I've already written.
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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Read what I wrote -- it's a content-based restriction on speech.

    Before you argue with me on that, go back and read everything I've already written.
    Advertising is not covered under the first amendment. it never has been.
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