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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You misunderstood the question. Your example, too, is about public nuisance. I'm talking about a blanket ban on sudden loud noises in movies, no matter where or what they're played on, no matter whether they can be heard outside the walls of the room being viewed in. That's what an "anti-loud commercial law" would be.

    Meaning, no movie could contain sudden loud noises, at all.
    I got ya---Movies here have noise, or sound limits. they started with all that Lucas THX stuff, and star wars. People complained, so they enforced the ordnance. they now have sound meters monitoring them.
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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Dude.

    I'm not talking about noise nuisances.
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    Re: IQ test question

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    That must be why my IQ is 146 and yours is most likely less than that.
    160-65, if you want to pull a ruler out, but no matter.
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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Not equivalent because that would change the picture. Increasing the size of the exact same sign does nothing to change content but it makes it more visible, and blocks more of the rest of the landscape. Increasing the volume of a commercial does nothing to change the content, but blocks out more of the surrounding sound.
    No, you're proving my point.

    If the brightness -- the intensity -- of the sign changes the picture, then the brightness is part of the content of the picture.

    If the volume -- the intensity -- of the soundtrack changes, then so, too, does the content, in the exact same way the brightness of the sign, as you say, changes it.

    Now, I asked above --

    If volume is not content, would you argue that volume is irrelevant to music? That, say, "Bolero" would be the same piece of music if it didn't start off very quiet and slowly gain volume as the intensity of the dance increased?

    So there would be no First Amendment issue in requiring that a performance of "Bolero" be kept entirely to a uniform, quiet volume with no increase at all? That would not change the piece at all?

    What about restricting sudden loud explosions in the middle of a movie? As in, you simply aren't allowed to have them in your soundtrack, period? No issues there?
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    Re: IQ test question

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    160-65, if you want to pull a ruler out, but no matter.
    Ha ha, so you say. I don't believe you. Your analysis of my question was totally faulty.

    Lengthening a commercial is so utterly different than making it louder. It would be equivalent to making a billboard have more content.

    Making a billboard larger, but not changing the picture or words is the same as taking a commercial and changing nothing except for the volume.

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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, you're proving my point.

    If the brightness -- the intensity -- of the sign changes the picture, then the brightness is part of the content of the picture.

    If the volume -- the intensity -- of the soundtrack changes, then so, too, does the content, in the exact same way the brightness of the sign, as you say, changes it.

    Now, I asked above --

    If volume is not content, would you argue that volume is irrelevant to music? That, say, "Bolero" would be the same piece of music if it didn't start off very quiet and slowly gain volume as the intensity of the dance increased?

    So there would be no First Amendment issue in requiring that a performance of "Bolero" be kept entirely to a uniform, quiet volume with no increase at all? That would not change the piece at all?

    What about restricting sudden loud explosions in the middle of a movie? As in, you simply aren't allowed to have them in your soundtrack, period? No issues there?
    Making a sign brighter does not block out more of the surrounding images the way a commercial can block out the surrounding noises. In fact, brightening an already clear picture can make said picture and words difficult to read.

    As an experiment, try brightening your computer screen. No, billboard advertisers make their ads the brightness they want to make the picture appealing. When they want better visibility they go for a larger sign, not a brighter one.

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    Re: IQ test question

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Ha ha, so you say. I don't believe you. Your analysis of my question was totally faulty.
    Pfff.

    I don't care if you believe me or not (as if your own word is golden). My analysis was spot-on, and I'm not the one 1) making childish, unfounded statements about the other's intelligence, nor 2) making the mistake of assuming that a higher IQ has any relevance on the strenght of one's arguments.


    Lengthening a commercial is so utterly different than making it louder.
    Did I say it was the same thing? Indeed, I did not. In fact, the two concepts being different factors into my argument. If you're going to brag about what you think is your superior IQ, you could at least make a stab at stating my argument correctly.


    It would be equivalent to making a billboard have more content.
    No, it would be equivalent to giving the billboard space for more content.


    Making a billboard larger, but not changing the picture or words is the same as taking a commercial and changing nothing except for the volume.
    It would be the same as making the TV screen larger.
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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Making a sign brighter does not block out more of the surrounding images
    Riiiight, which is why you can see the night sky just as clearly in Times Square as you can out in the middle of the outback.


    In fact, brightening an already clear picture can make said picture and words difficult to read.
    Yeah, and too much volume can distort sound, too.


    No, billboard advertisers make their ads the brightness they want to make the picture appealing.
    And commercial producers select their volume level to make their ads more effective.


    When they want better visibility they go for a larger sign, not a brighter one.
    You seem to think the loudness is about being heard from a greater distance. That's not why they're louder.

    No answer to my "Bolero" question?
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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Dude.

    I'm not talking about noise nuisances.
    If the sound is to loud, and it is annoying, then what else should you call it, other than a Nuisance. Help me here. It seems to fit to me. What's your take.
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    Re: Anti-loud commercial law passes the House

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    If the sound is to loud, and it is annoying, then what else should you call it, other than a Nuisance. Help me here. It seems to fit to me. What's your take.
    Nuisance laws are not about the people watching. It's about the people who aren't who are bothered by the noise coming from it. Or the people who aren't at your party being bothered by your loud music.
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