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    Re: Marijuana Helps Grow Brain Cells!

    I hate it when people call marijuana a gateway drug. Marijuana is not a gateway drug, it is you because you choice to take other drugs.
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    Re: Marijuana Helps Grow Brain Cells!

    Not sure if I killed some brain cells, or grew some new ones last night---but I sure am diggin it anyway--
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    Re: Marijuana Helps Grow Brain Cells!

    Quote Originally Posted by jr602az View Post
    I hate it when people call marijuana a gateway drug. Marijuana is not a gateway drug, it is you because you choice to take other drugs.
    Well you don't see people calling tobacco a gate way drug so there must be a reason that they call marijuana a gateway drug. Perhaps because statistics show it to be true?

    •The risk of using cocaine is estimated to be more than 104 times greater for those who have tried marijuana than for those who have never tried it.5
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    Re: Marijuana Helps Grow Brain Cells!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Well you don't see people calling tobacco a gate way drug so there must be a reason that they call marijuana a gateway drug. Perhaps because statistics show it to be true?



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    1) this is a prime example of the telephone game mucking up data as it gets passed along (or it may have been a deliberate misrepresentation)

    edit: I just noticed the deliberate misrepresentation, they failed to mention that the risk is also 104 times greater for those who use alcohol, and for those who use cigarettes, since you have to use all 3 to fall into this category

    Compared with people who used only one gateway drug... ...adults are 104 times--more likely to use cocaine.
    that is a disgusting manipulation of data there. -government sponsored anti drug message manipulation at its finest right there. /edit.


    2) correlation =/= causation.

    Your sources source is here:

    NIDA - Publications - Marijuana: Facts Parents Need to Know - Text Only

    This document no longer contains the "104 times more likely" claim, for a couple of reasons. It is outdated, inaccurate, and misrepresented.

    The "104 times as likely" figure came from a misrepresentation of a 1994 CASA report.

    The Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia (CASA) released a study Oct. 27 showing that children (12 to 17 years old) who use gateway drugs--tobacco, alcohol and marijuana--are up to 266 times--and adults who use such drugs are up to 323 times--more likely to use cocaine than those who don't use any gateway drugs. Compared with people who used only one gateway drug, children who used all three are 77 times--and adults are 104 times--more likely to use cocaine.
    http://www.columbia.edu/cu/record/ar...rd2010.24.html

    Someone was not very good at the telephone game, the alcohol and tobacco references somehow got dropped on their way into being widespread propaganda.

    This CASA report was relied on heavily and extensively, and was why the ONDCP pushed the gateway hypothesis during the mid to late 90's, and made it an integral (but short lived) part of their strategy:

    The National Drug Control Strategy for 1997 cites this (CASA) report multiple times, including this instance:

    Of adults who use cocaine, 83 percent identify cigarettes as a gateway drug.]
    IV. A Comprehensive Approach

    Unfortunately (for the ONDCP, and their future reliance on the Gateway hypothesis) the only thing this paper demonstrated was correlation; however for the hypothesis to have merit it needed causation.

    This is what led to such interest in supporting the gateway hypothesis in the ONDCP requested IOM paper I mentioned a few pages back.

    The fear that marijuana use might cause, as opposed to merely precede, the use of drugs that are more harmful of great concern. Judging from comments submitted to the IOM study team, this appears to be an even greater concern than the harms directly related to marijuana itself.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...-cells-10.html

    They really, really wanted this theory to pan out. instead it got turned on its head.

    one little sentence, and it was all but abandoned by the ONDCP, yet the legacy of their brief lived campaign lives on, here is the reality that blew up in their face - direct from the very paper they requested:

    it is the legal status of marijuana that makes it a gateway drug.


    Marijuana as Medicine - Assessing the Science Base - Institute of Medicine Report

    And the gateway hypothesis lives on, despite the ad hoc fallacy (actually because of it, it is easy to assume that correlation does = causation)
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    Re: Marijuana Helps Grow Brain Cells!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Well you don't see people calling tobacco a gate way drug so there must be a reason that they call marijuana a gateway drug. Perhaps because statistics show it to be true?



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    I had to thank you for that post, that has to be the best example of data manipulation, and how the government misrepresents facts to push their anti-drug agenda EVER!

    I will be showing that example in the future somewhere, somehow I am sure.. quite useful!
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    Re: Marijuana Helps Grow Brain Cells!

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Don't know if it promotes brain cells or not but I do know if it does promote the growth of brain cells, it ain't the smart ones.

    Nobody here is more pro-pot than me but let's be honest here. It makes you stupid. That's why it costs so much (and we still buy it.)
    Yeh, I've seen too many potheads go from smart and aware (when they started) to full blown morons.

    Effects of cannabis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Effects of cannabis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I mean, if people want to get high, just commercialize it and let them do it, but I wouldn't want to get into the drug culture. It's absurd to suggest that just like alcohol and nicotine, marijuana does not have an effect on you.

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    Re: Marijuana Helps Grow Brain Cells!

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I had to thank you for that post, that has to be the best example of data manipulation, and how the government misrepresents facts to push their anti-drug agenda EVER!

    I will be showing that example in the future somewhere, somehow I am sure.. quite useful!
    That is the case... for the most part.

    Effects of cannabis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Rats who consumed canabis required higher quantities of heroin if they started it, but both the control group and the experimental group started at the same time.

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    Re: Marijuana Helps Grow Brain Cells!

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I had to thank you for that post, that has to be the best example of data manipulation, and how the government misrepresents facts to push their anti-drug agenda EVER!

    I will be showing that example in the future somewhere, somehow I am sure.. quite useful!
    Actually it was a .org site and not a .gov site so I wouldn't call it government manipulation of facts. In either case the sources you site still call it a gate way drug. Just as they do for tobacco and alcohol. Now...why is that?
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    Re: Marijuana Helps Grow Brain Cells!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually it was a .org site and not a .gov site so I wouldn't call it government manipulation of facts.
    It was a government manipulation, since the facts being parroted were cited as being from a NIDA publication.

    As well as:

    # The risk of using cocaine has been estimated to be more than 104 times greater for those who have tried marijuana than for those who have never tried it.12
    Exposing the Myth of Smoked Medical Marijuana <=== DEA source

    -again sourcing "Marijuana: Facts Parents Need to Know, National Institute on Drug Abuse, National Institutes of Health."
    I suppose the DEA and NIDA are NOT gov??

    btw, these loose "facts" are now conspicuously absent in the source material, I dunno, you think they got called on their BS and others have not got the memo perhaps?

    In either case the sources you site still call it a gate way drug. Just as they do for tobacco and alcohol. Now...why is that?
    I am citing a 1994 report titled:Cigarettes, Alcohol, Marijuana: Gateways to Illicit Drug Use

    This is the report that was pivotal in forming the Gateway theory as a plinth in mid to late 90's ONDCP policy. I think it is only natural the report that essentiually gave birth to the promotion of the "gateway hypothesis" as drug policy uses the term "gateway".

    edit: also in case you did not realize it, my source is the source of your sources source. :P
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    Re: Marijuana Helps Grow Brain Cells!

    Mothers Milk is the real gateway drug. People that try that stuff go on to harder drugs. there is proof, somewhere.
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