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Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

Has NASA outlived its usefulness

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 11.8%

  • No

    Votes: 60 88.2%
  • Total voters
    68
UtahBill said:
Where did I suggest ending the funding? :2wave:
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You didn't in so many words. But you have suggested that the mission of NASA be gerrymandered and that the NASA budget contributes to bankrupting the United States.

UtahBill said:
I wouldn't abolish NASA, just redirect some of its efforts...
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UtahBill said:
So, why do we still pursue the impossible with so much money? should we bankrupt the nation for useless knowledge?
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Skateguy said:
Knowledge, and five bucks, will buy ya a hamburger
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And 9 out of every 10 voters above find your NASA menu indigestable :2razz:
 
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Tashah said:
And 9 out of every 10 voters above find your NASA menu indigestable :2razz:
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folks don't have to agree with my views. and they are more than welcome to add their own. It's not about me, but tax payer money being spent on projects that only a very few benefit from.---Spend that money to stop them from pumping the Gulf of Mexico full of poison, via the Mississippi river, if you want to help people. we have hundreds if not thousands of miles of "dead Zones" where nothing can live. Is hittin the moon with one more rocket, more important than that?
 
Skateguy said:
folks don't have to agree with my views. and they are more than welcome to add their own. It's not about me, but tax payer money being spent on projects that only a very few benefit from.---Spend that money to stop them from pumping the Gulf of Mexico full of poison, via the Mississippi river, if you want to help people. we have hundreds if not thousands of miles of "dead Zones" where nothing can live. Is hittin the moon with one more rocket, more important than that?
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Mighty strange you don't complain about the National Endowment of the Arts getting a budget increase. You're ire is very selective and not very well thought out.
 
Tashah said:
Mighty strange you don't complain about the National Endowment of the Arts getting a budget increase. You're ire is very selective and not very well thought out.
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One thing at a time---I would cut all waste across the board, until we take care of many other pressing issues facing Our Country. we act like spoiled Children. we want what we want, rather than what we need. --fix Our Home Planet, before we go off to build land fills on another one. ---Our junk is still on the moon---guess somebody else will clean that up?
 
Skateguy said:
As long as tax payers are given the right to decide it's worth today. We were full of the promise of "Space travel" when NASA started. We saw "2001" and thought it was the future. Well it ain't. Now days we need to redirect that focus on things that serve a more immediate need. the Moon will still be there. If private concerns deem if profitable.
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You do have the right, by voting for the representatives that will make the changes you want to the program.
 
the makeout hobo said:
You do have the right, by voting for the representatives that will make the changes you want to the program.
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true, and I do that. I also have the obligation to my Sons, to try and correct wrongs I see. I have no problem doing so. ---Our Children will pay the price for our Poor decisions. :(
 
Skateguy said:
---Our junk is still on the moon---guess somebody else will clean that up?
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Is it upsetting anyone up there? :rofl

Green wasn't in vogue back then. I imagine NASA will be more environmentally correct next time around.

Did you know the military's cluster-bomb junk is still littering Iraq and Afghanistan? So are thousands of shards from depleted Uranium munitions. Makes the moon junk quite insignificant in comparison. Defense Dept has no plans to clean it up either despite an operating budget that is larger than the fiscal budget of most countries. Guess somebody else will clean that up?

Like I said up yonder, strange how your ire is so selective.
 
Skateguy said:
true, and I do that. I also have the obligation to my Sons, to try and correct wrongs I see. I have no problem doing so. ---Our Children will pay the price for our Poor decisions. :(
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Then what was the point of complaining that you want a choice where your money goes, when you already have one?
 
the makeout hobo said:
Then what was the point of complaining that you want a choice where your money goes, when you already have one?
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Voting is to appease the masses. to get things done, one has to do more. and I got lots of time on my hands, and not one ounce of quit in me. --when yer right, yer right.
 
Tashah said:
Is it upsetting anyone up there? :rofl

Green wasn't in vogue back then. I imagine NASA will be more environmentally correct next time around.

Did you know the military's cluster-bomb junk is still littering Iraq and Afghanistan? So are thousands of shards from depleted Uranium munitions. Makes the moon junk quite insignificant in comparison. Defense Dept has no plans to clean it up either despite an operating budget that is larger than the fiscal budget of most countries. Guess somebody else will clean that up?

Like I said up yonder, strange how your ire is so selective.
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Nope, trash bothers no one, as long as it's not in their yard, which is the problem. "We move into an area, then use up all the Natural resources, and then move somewhere else, to repeat the process"--the Matrix.
 
Skateguy said:
Voting is to appease the masses. to get things done, one has to do more. and I got lots of time on my hands, and not one ounce of quit in me. --when yer right, yer right.
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Voting is the basis of our system of government, and the only efficient way for every person in such a big nation to give their input. You can run for office if you want more say.
 
the makeout hobo said:
Voting is the basis of our system of government, and the only efficient way for every person in such a big nation to give their input. You can run for office if you want more say.
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Yep, that is just what they want ya to believe. ---I get more done from the sidelines. I have a pretty good track record. Just takes time.
 
the makeout hobo said:
...Which is?
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Don't like to blow my own horn, but I implemented gettin a Skate Law revised, that was causing lots of folks to get thrown in the Jail house. No big deal. but even it took over five years, and many trips to city counsel, and to Jail, and two trips to the State Capital over a two year period, to present Our case in front of the State Congress. ---we won, and now can Skate Free on the very streets we pay for. thus relieving traffic congestion, and saving fuel in the process. ---I could have just voted though, and still people would be thrown in Jail.
 
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UtahBill said:
It is silly to assume that technology exists thanks to NASA alone. It assumes that others outside NASA would never have made an effort to invent anything. The "long" list attributed to NASA has a lot of fiction in it.

Why do I use an example that works? To show how naiive many of us are. Fuel Cells work, but are horribly expensive. The cost is justified when using such technology in space, but on earth? Flying cars? IT would take many more computers and satellites to track and control the air traffic. BUT, it would make for a bit of convenience for a few people. Do we have billions to waste nowadays? Technology has progressed far beyond the average persons ability to use it.
Then there is the pollution aspect. An aerocar gets terrible gas mileage...
Lots of NASA technology is only economically useful to NASA, and that is because they get to use taxpayer money....:shock:
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I have never once in this thread discounted that others couldn't have invented anything. That would be stupid in the extreme considering history. But the fact is that they DID invent many many things that we are currently using today. Either by themselves or by working in conjunction with private companies. To discount the very many useful things that they have made over the years is what is naive

And in case you hadn't noticed making things convenient for us is one main aspect of being human.

While fuel cells may be expensive today history has shown that they will get more efficient and cheaper. Take a look at computers. Use to be that one computer would take up a whole wall. Now you can basically hold one in the palm of your hand. And everyone has one. You can thank NASA for that also.

As for your last sentence. Did you even read the articles that I have provided? Is a kidney dialysis machine only useful to NASA? How about scratch resistance lenses? Water filters? Robotics to help people with spinal/brain injuries? Artificial heart pump? Smoke detectors?

And here's one that Skateguy might even acknowledge...

When you buy a new set of tires, the old ones have to go somewhere, right? Most of them end up in huge, flammable tire dumps, which may hold millions of old tires, each one containing about a quart of oil in the rubber. If a dump catches fire, however, it can burn with a thick, toxic smoke for weeks on end.

But today, old tires are being put to good use. NASA's experience in fuel-related cryogenics helped develop processes to freeze the tires to below -200 degrees Fahrenheit so that they crumble, separating the rubber from other materials and producing what's called "crumb."

This waste is recycled into several new products, including an ingredient used to pave highways, which means your new radial tires may someday be rolling over your old ones."
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And all of these are just scratching the surface of the things that NASA as done. And we are currently using in the private sector.
 
Skateguy said:
Don't like to blow my own horn, but I implemented gettin a Skate Law revised, that was causing lots of folks to get thrown in the Jail house. No big deal. but even it took over five years, and many trips to city counsel, and to Jail, and two trips to the State Capital over a two year period, to present Our case in front of the State Congress. ---we won, and now can Skate Free on the very streets we pay for. thus relieving traffic congestion, and saving fuel in the process. ---I could have just voted though, and still people would be thrown in Jail.
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I've never denigrated direct action, and have done quite a bit of it myself, but it become more limited at the federal level. And direct action like what you did works because politicians are afraid it could transform into voting patterns.
 
Tashah said:
Is it upsetting anyone up there? :rofl

Green wasn't in vogue back then. I imagine NASA will be more environmentally correct next time around.

Did you know the military's cluster-bomb junk is still littering Iraq and Afghanistan? So are thousands of shards from depleted Uranium munitions. Makes the moon junk quite insignificant in comparison. Defense Dept has no plans to clean it up either despite an operating budget that is larger than the fiscal budget of most countries. Guess somebody else will clean that up?

Like I said up yonder, strange how your ire is so selective.
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The OP is about NASA, feel free to start your own thread about all the other wasteful spending, I would gladly support your efforts at reducing the budget for "art" and other things that the govt wastes money on.....

NASA, at least, encourages scientific progress, even if they do get more credit than they deserve...
 
Kal'Stang said:
I have never once in this thread discounted that others couldn't have invented anything. That would be stupid in the extreme considering history. But the fact is that they DID invent many many things that we are currently using today. Either by themselves or by working in conjunction with private companies. To discount the very many useful things that they have made over the years is what is naive

And in case you hadn't noticed making things convenient for us is one main aspect of being human.

While fuel cells may be expensive today history has shown that they will get more efficient and cheaper. Take a look at computers. Use to be that one computer would take up a whole wall. Now you can basically hold one in the palm of your hand. And everyone has one. You can thank NASA for that also.

As for your last sentence. Did you even read the articles that I have provided? Is a kidney dialysis machine only useful to NASA? How about scratch resistance lenses? Water filters? Robotics to help people with spinal/brain injuries? Artificial heart pump? Smoke detectors?

And here's one that Skateguy might even acknowledge...



And all of these are just scratching the surface of the things that NASA as done. And we are currently using in the private sector.
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To give NASA as much credit as it gets is naiive. Might as well give credit to the industrial/military complex for their spillover while inventing better ways to kill people....
I do enjoy my fancy mattress, though...
 
UtahBill said:
The OP is about NASA, feel free to start your own thread about all the other wasteful spending,
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Scroll up. I didn't interject "junk" into this thread. The OP author himself did that. It's his thread and if he wants to use junk as an example, then I'll respond to it.
 
Tashah said:
Scroll up. I didn't interject "junk" into this thread. The OP author himself did that. It's his thread and if he wants to use junk as an example, then I'll respond to it.
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Sorry, what did I do?? Please explain if you would be so kind.
 
NASA in it's inception was a good Idea, and I fully supported them. but times have changed. we have found out what we needed to know about space.---It costs a lot to operate there, and other than some future mining operations, does not offer enough to justify the expense of operating there. ---with new technologies it may one day, but not today. When NASA came to be, we had a stronger more stable economy. Today we have to keep a closer eye on spending, and direct our limited funds into projects that will give a more immediate return for the dollar. Just wise budgeting in my opinion.
 
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