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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Oh boy. Ignorance.

    Helium 3. Look up Fusion.

    I'm still waiting for you to show me private industry doing anything more than tourism.
    you know for someone with the handle of "obvious" you'd think you'd obviously know he doesn't have an answer.

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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Oh boy. Ignorance.

    Helium 3. Look up Fusion.

    I'm still waiting for you to show me private industry doing anything more than tourism.
    tourism is where the money is. Does "Continental" try to pay the bills by exploring? that is for the funded, or the very rich. What paid for the Titanic--tourism.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    you know for someone with the handle of "obvious" you'd think you'd obviously know he doesn't have an answer.
    It is page 24. You do have a point. It does disturb me that an increasing percentage of users here really have little more then "I say so" and are virtually incapable of defending their positions with actual evidence. Good thing I'm going on a trip soon. Hopefully it will be better when (and if) I come back.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    tourism is where the money is.
    And as you ignore for the umpteenth time, private tourism is only where it is now because public funding did all of the work to get it there.

    Does "Continental" try to pay the bills by exploring? that is for the funded, or the very rich. What paid for the Titanic--tourism.
    Tell me, how is space tourism going to get us H3 from the moon to feed fusion reactors for endless cheap and clean energy?

    You seem to think that private industry can replace NASA yet you argue that private industry won't fund the many projects of NASA. That makes largely no sense as you cannot replace NASA with entities that won't do its job.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And as you ignore for the umpteenth time, private tourism is only where it is now because public funding did all of the work to get it there.



    Tell me, how is space tourism going to get us H3 from the moon to feed fusion reactors for endless cheap and clean energy?

    You seem to think that private industry can replace NASA yet you argue that private industry won't fund the many projects of NASA. That makes largely no sense as you cannot replace NASA with entities that won't do its job.
    Ok, lets see what I can say to end your apprehension.---Public funding has not been at the base of the new tourism Space industry. Private investors have. NASA, has been about going to the Moon, with no plan of action other than going there. Hitting a few golf balls, don't count. All of what we learned there could have been done with robotics.--- There is no long range plan for the private individual , to have space travel through NASA. I see no need to replace NASA, as I see nothing that they have planned that would be a direct benefit to those tax payers that have been funding them for 40 years. We can no longer afford projects that are not profitable---we are in the poor house now, and in debt to many foreign countries, that will soon be coming to collect on said debt. --Some People seem to think we are still a wealthy country. People are starving and homeless. Space can wait, it's not going anywhere.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    Public funding has not been at the base of the new tourism Space industry
    Wrong. Public funding has provided the base of private space tourism by providing much of the applied materials, known how, expertise and manufacturing processes. What it has not done is provide the capital for the actual firms. Your argument explicitly ignores that the modern private space industry is leapfrogging off of the many advances produced by public funding. Basically you are saying that private rocketry owes absolutely nothing to the state financing towards the science of rocketry. And that's why you are getting ridiculed.

    Look at it this way, your argument is analogous to saying all internet based firms owe absolutely nothing to the public funding of the internet, computers and coding. That nothing public funding did helped them get to where they are now. That none of the advances funded by the government for internet, computers and coding are related to internet based firms.

    NASA, has been about going to the Moon, with no plan of action other than going there.
    Seriously? More then a few people have provided long lists of things NASA does other then the moon. Ignoring them doesn't make you right.

    Hitting a few golf balls, don't count.
    This is why you get laughed at. You ignore the tremendous material advances in insulation, solid fuels, habitation, computers and rocketry that was required to to the moon to hit a few golf balls only to focus on hitting a few golf balls.

    All of what we learned there could have been done with robotics.
    Say what? Tell me, can a robot give me the data that a human can do? Can a robot test a space suit? Do you know what the level of robotics was back in the 60s and 70s?

    There is no long range plan for the private sector, to have space travel through NASA. I see no need to replace NASA, as I see nothing that they have planned that would be a direct benefit to those tax payers that have been funding them for 40 years.
    Ignoring lists of commercially applied advances doesn't make you right. You appear at this point uninterested in anything anyone has to say other then yourself as evident by your refusal to even acknowledge the material advances made by NASA.

    We can no longer afford projects that are not profitable---we are in the poor house now, and in debt to many foreign countries, that will soon be coming to collect on said debt. --Some People seem to think we are still a wealthy country. People are starving and homeless. Space can wait, it's not going anywhere.
    NASA is a mere $17 billion. We could cut that from a variety of programs that don't result in commercially viable material advances.

    Ignoring things you don't like that blow holes in your argument doesn't make your arguments valid. It makes you look extremely weak.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    NASA, has been about going to the Moon, with no plan of action other than going there.
    Incorrect. You should look at NASA's long range plans before saying such things.

    NASA to set up polar moon camp

    HOUSTON - NASA announced Monday its strategy and rationale for robotic and human exploration of the moon, determining that a lunar outpost is the best approach to achieve a sustained, human presence there.

    The base would be built in incremental steps, starting with four-person crews making several seven-day visits. The first mission would begin by 2020, with the base growing over time, beefed up with more power, mobility rovers and living quarters.

    The moon base would eventually support 180-day lunar stays, a stretch of time seen as the best avenue to establish a permanent presence there, as well as prepare for future human exploration of Mars.
    I wonder who will benefit from the technology that will be derived from such a project? Answer: The Public will. I wonder if that base camp will eventually become large enough to possibly house civilians that could possibly live there permanently. Answer: The possibility is high. Perhaps even have children there. Answer: The possibility is high.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Wrong. Public funding has provided the base of private space tourism by providing much of the applied materials, known how, expertise and manufacturing processes. What it has not done is provide the capital for the actual firms. Your argument explicitly ignores that the modern private space industry is leapfrogging off of the many advances produced by public funding. Basically you are saying that private rocketry owes absolutely nothing to the state financing towards the science of rocketry. And that's why you are getting ridiculed.

    Look at it this way, your argument is analogous to saying all internet based firms owe absolutely nothing to the public funding of the internet, computers and coding. That nothing public funding did helped them get to where they are now. That none of the advances funded by the government for internet, computers and coding are related to internet based firms.



    Seriously? More then a few people have provided long lists of things NASA does other then the moon. Ignoring them doesn't make you right.



    This is why you get laughed at. You ignore the tremendous material advances in insulation, solid fuels, habitation, computers and rocketry that was required to to the moon to hit a few golf balls only to focus on hitting a few golf balls.



    Say what? Tell me, can a robot give me the data that a human can do? Can a robot test a space suit? Do you know what the level of robotics was back in the 60s and 70s?



    Ignoring lists of commercially applied advances doesn't make you right. You appear at this point uninterested in anything anyone has to say other then yourself as evident by your refusal to even acknowledge the material advances made by NASA.



    NASA is a mere $17 billion. We could cut that from a variety of programs that don't result in commercially viable material advances.

    Ignoring things you don't like that blow holes in your argument doesn't make your arguments valid. It makes you look extremely weak.
    Name three things that were a direct result of NASA, that could not have been made with out a space program.---Not much requires Zero Gs. to produce. --So the answer is to make what we need, and pass on doing the rest of the wasteful stuff.---How much Carbon Fiber does the shuttle use again, I forget.---only rich people speak of 17 billion dollars as "mere" --just another sign of a spoiled populace, that can't pay their bills now.---and your repeated reference to people laughing at me, has no relevance to the topic at all, just shows poor manners.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    Name three things that were a direct result of NASA, that could not have been made with out a space program.---Not much requires Zero Gs. to produce. --So the answer is to make what we need, and pass on doing the rest of the wasteful stuff.---How much Carbon Fiber does the suttle use again, I forget.
    Doesn't matter if it could have been made without NASA. The fact is that it was made with NASA.

    Hitler could have won.

    Lincoln could have not been shot.

    9/11 could have been prevented.

    Could does not equal what is.

    As for it being wasteful, that is purely your opinion. And as your own poll indicates...you are clearly in the minority in thinking that.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    NASA has become obsolete. They were relevant 30 years ago. today they are fat and bloated, not to mention top heavy. they are to comfortable in their stale position. were new private enterprises are now the cutting edge of technology.--NASA is to old and fat to keep up with Knew Kids on the block.
    Who are these new private enterprises that are going to pay for a probe to explore Titan's atmosphere? The names of these companies, please. I'll wait.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy
    when Kennedy said to go to the Moon, he had no idea what to do when we got there. He was simply trying to one up the Russians, at our expense. What good has any of those Moon trips done us?? People didn't even watch the last one, cause it was just more of the same ole thing. tomorrow is in front of us, not behind us.
    This is completely irrelevant, as NASA does far more than moon missions.
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