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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    When Burt Ru tan gets his Public space ships up and going, I want to go. NASA has no plans for any of us regular people to ever take a flight. Unless we pay millions to do so. Taking off and landing without all the antiquated and expensive old school rockets, is the way of the future. I saw that back in the 70s. the whole system seemed out of date, even back then. A "Space Ship" should be more than just a Glider. Capt Kirk would have been most disappointed.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Tell me Skateguy,

    What makes you think that private capital will finance the necessary research and development to build long range interstellar vehicles for manned missions to places that are 1) highly dangerous and 2) no reasonable assurance of profit.

    Based on your arguments, it does appear you don't understand what capitalism is or how it operates as you believe that capitalism will finance operations that have no reasonable assurance of profit.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Tell me Skateguy,

    What makes you think that private capital will finance the necessary research and development to build long range interstellar vehicles for manned missions to places that are 1) highly dangerous and 2) no reasonable assurance of profit.

    Based on your arguments, it does appear you don't understand what capitalism is or how it operates as you believe that capitalism will finance operations that have no reasonable assurance of profit.
    oh, I love to use quotes to describe something. Here is a quote on capitalism-so skateguy gets a better understanding-by a famous economist.
    "Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone. "
    John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    90.63% of the people in the poll disagree with you Skatguy. So even if we were to put it up to a vote like you suggested earlier NASA would still not be shut down. By quite a large margin. Sorry, in this case what you want and what you think doesn't matter.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Tell me Skateguy,

    What makes you think that private capital will finance the necessary research and development to build long range interstellar vehicles for manned missions to places that are 1) highly dangerous and 2) no reasonable assurance of profit.

    Based on your arguments, it does appear you don't understand what capitalism is or how it operates as you believe that capitalism will finance operations that have no reasonable assurance of profit.
    By readin your stement, I can't tell which side you are on. Private enterprise is exploring space, and for a profit. NASA, is just resting on it's Laurals, and doing little or nothin, on the tax payers dime. ---As far as going to places that are dangerous, or non profitable, I see no good reason to go there. do you?
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    Private enterprise is exploring space, and for a profit.
    Give some examples. All you've posted here is merely tourism and that's largely why you are getting laughed at. Nothing about actual exploration.

    As far as going to places that are dangerous, or non profitable, I see no good reason to go there. do you?
    Under your reasoning, no one would have gone to the moon. Or frankly even into space in the first place.

    It's pretty clear you don't understand what capitalism is or how it functions in exploratory science.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    By readin your stement, I can tell which side you are on. Private enterprise is exploring space, and for a profit. NASA, is just resting on it's Laurals, and doing little or nothin, on the tax payers dime. ---As far as going to places that are dangerous, or non profitable, I see no good reason to go there. do you?
    whoa whoa!! NASA is doing a lot. It doesn't take overnight to build a new spacecraft. It takes years and years for it to happen. That's why when the space shuttle goes into retirement NASA can focus on the new space shuttle that will take astronauts to the moon and mars. And actually we have a lot planned for space, here is a list:
    Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE) →
    Major mission of the Explorer program.

    AIM: Aeronomy of Ice in the Mesosphere
    AIM's two-year mission is to study Polar Mesospheric Clouds, the Earth’s highest clouds, which form an icy membrane 50 miles above the surface at the edge of space.

    Aqua
    Aqua, Latin for water, is a NASA Earth Science satellite mission named for the large amount of information that the mission will be collecting about the Earth's water cycle.

    ARCTAS
    Arctic Research of the Composition of the Troposphere from Aircraft and Satellites

    Astro-E2/Suzaku
    The Suzaku mission is a joint effort of JAXA and NASA designed to discover more about the x-ray universe.

    Aura Mission
    A mission dedicated to the health of Earth's atmosphere.

    CALIPSO
    CALIPSO will provide the next generation of climate observations, drastically improving our ability to predict climate change and to study the air we breathe.

    Cassini-Huygens Mission
    Unlocking the secrets of Saturn.

    Chandra X-ray Observatory
    NASA's Chandra X-Ray Observatory probes the mysteries of space with unprecedented x-ray images that help to unravel the structure and evolution of the universe.

    CINDI
    CINDI will study the elements that influence space weather near Earth's equator.

    CloudSat
    CloudSat's cloud-profiling radar is 1,000 times more sensitive than typical weather radar and can detect clouds and distinguish between cloud particles and precipitation.

    Cosmic Hot Interstellar Plasma Spectrometer (CHIPS) →
    CHIPS uses an extreme ultraviolet spectrograph to study the "Local Bubble" surrounding our Solar System.

    Constellation: NASA's Future
    A new generation of spacecraft will carry humans to the moon, Mars and beyond.

    Cluster ESA/NASA Mission →
    The four Cluster spacecraft carry out 3D measurements in the Earth's Magnetosphere.

    Dawn
    Dawn launched in September, becoming the first spacecraft ever planned to orbit two different bodies after leaving Earth. The spacecraft will orbit Vesta and Ceres, two of the largest asteroids in the solar system.

    Deep Impact
    Exploring Comet Tempel 1 to determine the origins of life in our Solar System.

    Earth Probe Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer (EP-TOMS) →
    Earth Probe Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer (EP-TOMS), along with the Ozone Monitoring Instrument onboard AURA, are currently the only NASA spacecraft on orbit specializing in ozone retrieval.

    Earth Observing-1 →
    As the first New Millennium Program Earth Observing Mission, EO-1 has validated advanced land imaging and unique spacecraft technologies.

    EPOXI
    EPOXI is a low-cost mission that will expand our knowledge of both cometary bodies and extrasolar planetary systems.

    Fire and Smoke
    NASA satellites, aircraft, and research know-how have created a wealth of cutting-edge tools to help firefighters battle wildfires.

    GALEX
    Mapping the history of star formation in the universe.

    › Galaxy Evolution Explorer

    GLAST Launches on Gamma Ray Mission
    The Gamma-ray Large Area Space Telescope will answer questions about supermassive black hole systems, pulsars and the origin of cosmic rays.

    Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellites (GOES)
    GOES-N is the latest in a series of satellites that provide a constant vigil for the atmospheric "triggers" for severe weather conditions such as tornadoes and hurricanes.

    GOES-O
    The Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite (GOES)-O represents the newest generation of environmental satellites.

    Geotail Mission →
    A mission to study the tail of Earth's magnetosphere.

    Gravity Probe B
    This mission is the relativity gyroscope experiment developed by NASA and Stanford University to test two unverified predictions of Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity.

    Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment →
    The twin satellites are making detailed measurements of Earth's gravity field to learn more about gravity and Earth's natural systems.

    Hayabusa (MUSES-C) →
    Hayabusa (MUSES-C) is Japan's asteroid sample return mission.

    Herschel
    The Herschel Space Observatory is a space-based telescope that will study the Universe by the light of the far-infrared and submillimeter portions of the spectrum.

    High Energy Transient Explorer-2 (HETE-2) Mission →
    HETE-2 is a small scientific satellite designed to detect and localize gamma-ray bursts.

    Hinode (Solar B)
    A collaboration between the space agencies of Japan, the United States, United Kingdom and Europe, Hinode's mission is to investigate the interaction between the sun's magnetic field and its corona.

    Hubble Space Telescope
    Learn how Hubble has expanded our knowledge of the cosmos.

    › Hubble Section
    › Servicing Mission 4

    Hurricanes
    Latest storm images and data from NASA.

    IBEX
    A mission to achieve the first global observations of the region beyond the termination shock at the very edge of our solar system.

    Ice Cloud and Land Elevation Satellite (ICEsat) Mission →
    The ICESat mission will provide multi-year elevation data regarding ice sheet mass balance as well as cloud property information, especially for stratospheric clouds common over polar areas.

    International Gamma-Ray Astrophysics Laboratory (INTEGRAL) →
    INTEGRAL is the most sensitive gamma-ray observatory ever launched.

    International Space Station
    Aboard the International Space Station, astronauts work to improve life on Earth and extend life beyond our home planet.

    Jason →
    Jason-1 is the first follow-on to the highly successful TOPEX/Poseidon mission that measured ocean surface topography.

    Kepler
    View Kepler-related videos and other multimedia.

    Landsat →
    The Landsat Program is a series of Earth-observing satellite missions jointly managed by NASA and the U.S. Geological Survey.

    LCROSS
    The LCROSS mission's objective is to confirm the presence or absence of water ice in a permanently shadowed crater at the moon's South Pole.

    LRO: Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter
    The LRO mission objectives are to find safe landing sites, locate potential resources, characterize the radiation environment, and demonstrate new technology.

    Mars Express →
    Mission to search for subsurface water from orbit.

    Mars Exploration Rovers
    Rovers Spirit and Opportunity explore the Martian landscape.

    Mars Odyssey →
    This orbiter is mapping the mineralogy and morphology of the Martian surface.

    Moon Mineralogy Mapper →
    Aboard the Chandrayaan-1 spacecraft, whose technology mission has been completed successfully and now embarks on a scientific mission.

    Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter
    The mission will determine whether long-standing bodies of water ever existed on Mars.

    › MRO Site

    Mercury, Surface, Space Environment, Geochemistry and Ranging (MESSENGER) Mission
    MESSENGER will study Mercury, the closest planet to the Sun.

    Mini-RF
    The Mini-RF project will fly two radar instruments to the moon to map the lunar poles, search for water ice, and to demonstrate future NASA communication technologies.

    New Horizons
    New Horizons began its journey across the solar system to conduct flyby studies of Pluto and its moon.

    NOAA Environmental Satellites
    NOAA-N is the latest in a series of polar-orbiting satellites, that will collect information to improve weather prediction and climate research across the globe.

    NOAA-N Prime
    NOAA-N Prime will provide a polar-orbiting platform to support environmental monitoring instruments for imaging and measuring Earth's atmosphere and sea surface temperature.

    Ocean Surface Topography Mission/Jason 2
    The joint NASA-French satellite will help scientists better monitor and understand rises in global sea level, study the world's ocean circulation and its links to Earth's climate.

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    Operation Ice Bridge
    Operation Ice Bridge, a six-year NASA field campaign, is the largest airborne survey of Earth's polar ice ever flown. It will yield a three-dimensional view of Arctic and Antarctic ice sheets, ice shelves and sea ice.

    Pioneer
    A journey through our solar system and beyond.

    Pioneer Venus
    The mission's objective was to investigate the Venus's solar wind, map the planet's surface and study the upper atmosphere.

    Planck
    Planck will provide a map of the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) field.

    Polar Operational Environmental Satellite (POES) →
    POES is a cooperative effort between NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the United Kingdom and France.

    QuikScat
    The Quick Scatterometer, or QuikScat, replaces the NASA Scatterometer (NSCAT) instrument on Japan's Midori satellite.

    Reuven Ramaty High Energy Solar Spectroscopic Imager (RHESSI) →
    RHESSI's primary mission is to explore the basic physics of particle acceleration and explosive energy release in solar flares.

    Rosetta Mission →
    Rosetta will orbit comet 67P and accompany it on its journey to the Sun.

    Rossi X-ray Timing Explorer (RXTE) Mission →
    RXTE is a satellite that observes the fast-moving, high-energy worlds of black holes, neutron stars, X-ray pulsars and bursts of X-rays that light up the sky and then disappear forever.

    SERVIR
    The SERVIR initiative integrates satellite observations, ground-based data and forecast models to monitor and forecast environmental changes.

    SMART 1 →
    SMART 1's two part mission will test new technologies and explore darker regions of the Moon's south pole for the first time.

    SOFIA
    The Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy--or SOFIA--is an airborne observatory that will complement the Hubble, Spitzer, Herschel and James Webb space telescopes, as well as major Earth-based telescopes.

    Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO)
    SOHO, designed to study the sun, from its deep core to its outer corona, is a cooperative program between ESA and NASA.

    Solar Radiation and Climate Experiment (SORCE) →
    A NASA-sponsored satellite mission that will provide state-of-the-art measurements of incoming x-ray, ultraviolet, visible, near-infrared, and total solar radiation.

    Solar TErrestrial RElations Observatory (STEREO)
    STEREO continues its mission to capture 3D images of the sun.

    Small Satellite Missions
    Small satellite missions provide NASA with valuable opportunities to test emerging technologies and economical commercial off-the-shelf components, which may be useful in future space missions.

    Space Shuttle
    The space shuttle is the most complex machine ever built and its capacity is instrumental in building the International Space Station.

    Spitzer Space Telescope
    NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope, studying the universe in infared.

    Stardust-NExT
    Exploring Comet Tempel 1

    Submillimeter Wave Astronomy Satellite (SWAS) →
    A mission that was designed to study the chemical composition of interstellar gas clouds.

    Swift
    The Swift mission seeks to tell us more about gamma-ray bursts, the most powerful explosions in the universe.

    TacSat-2
    TacSat-2 features 11 onboard experiments, which will be conducted during the spacecraft’s planned six to 12-month mission.

    Terra
    Terra is a multi-national, multi-disciplinary partnership between the U.S., Canada and Japan that is an important part of helping us better understand and protect our home planet.

    THEMIS
    The 2-year mission of Time History of Events and Macroscale Interactions During Substorms (THEMIS) is to track these violent, colorful eruptions near the North Pole.

    Thermospere Ionosphere Mesosphere Energetics and Dynamics Mission (TIMED) →
    The TIMED mission is studying the influences of the Sun and humans on the least explored region of Earth's atmosphere.

    Tracking and Data Relay Satellite (TDRS)
    This system of satellites and ground stations makes up a portion of the Space Network and provides mission services for near Earth satellites and orbiting vehicles.

    Transition Region and Coronal Explorer (TRACE) Mission →
    TRACE enables solar physicists to study the connections between fine-scale magnetic fields and the associated plasma structures on the Sun.

    Tropical Composition, Cloud and Climate Coupling (TC4)
    The TC4 study will tackle challenging questions about Earth's ozone layer and climate using coordinated observations from satellites and high-flying NASA airplanes.

    Tropical Rainfall Measuring Mission (TRMM) →
    TRMM is a joint mission between NASA and the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency designed to monitor and study tropical rainfall.

    Voyager - The Interstellar Mission
    Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 journey to study the region in space where the Sun's influence ends and the dark recesses of interstellar space begin.

    WISE: Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer
    WISE will study the solar system, Milky Way and universe. Among the objects WISE will study are asteroids, the coolest and dimmest stars and the most luminous galaxies.

    Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) →
    A mission to take the first full sky picture of the early Universe.

    Wind Mission →
    A mission to investigate the solar wind and its impact on the near-Earth environment.

    XMM-Newton →
    The Mirror Modules on this x-ray observatory allow XMM-Newton to detect millions of sources, far more than any previous X-ray mission.

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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Give some examples. All you've posted here is merely tourism and that's largely why you are getting laughed at. Nothing about actual exploration.



    Under your reasoning, no one would have gone to the moon. Or frankly even into space in the first place.

    It's pretty clear you don't understand what capitalism is or how it functions in exploratory science.
    through out time Men of wisdom have been laughed at by the ignorant. Nothin knew here. ---There is no need to go to the Moon, or into space itself. Now for communications, or for travel, space is a good route to take. what on the Moon, do your personally want to pay for, to bring back to earth?
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    through out time Men of wisdom have been laughed at by the ignorant. Nothin knew here. ---There is no need to go to the Moon, or into space itself. Now for communications, or for travel, space is a good route to take. what on the Moon, do your personally want to pay for, to bring back to earth?
    Oh boy. Ignorance.

    Helium 3. Look up Fusion.

    I'm still waiting for you to show me private industry doing anything more than tourism.
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