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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Private Enterprise will hopefully teach NASA a thing or two about working on a budget, but its hardly a replacement. The basic research and scientific exploration needed won't come from venture capitalists.

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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Private Enterprise will hopefully teach NASA a thing or two about working on a budget, but its hardly a replacement. The basic research and scientific exploration needed won't come from venture capitalists.

    What we need is to find the proverbial carrot on a string to spur the private sector into space exploration research without actually giving them anything.

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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Private Enterprise will hopefully teach NASA a thing or two about working on a budget, but its hardly a replacement. The basic research and scientific exploration needed won't come from venture capitalists.
    Why are people talking like NASA doesn't have a budget. It does and it is less than 1% of our federal budget. If anything NASA's budget as a percentage of the national budget has been decreasing for years. Dollar for dollar it is probably one of the most productive programs our government runs.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    There have already been Private ventures into space.
    And virtually none of them are dealing in exploration and research. Most of the high profile are in tourism, which is little more then a piggy back on the hard work done by NASA and the Russians. Many of the others deal in satellites which are again piggy backing on military space expenditures.

    Your argument fails to understand just how capitalism works. For the most part, capitalist ventures do not invest in activities that are not reasonably assured some profit. As you cited yourself, shooting the moon with a rocket pretty much has no direct profit potential. However, there is large amounts of data that would be valuable to government funded programs, such as a moon base.

    If we let private capital do everything in new fields that do not have reasonable assurances of profit, we wouldn't get far.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why are people talking like NASA doesn't have a budget. It does and it is less than 1% of our federal budget. If anything NASA's budget as a percentage of the national budget has been decreasing for years. Dollar for dollar it is probably one of the most productive programs our government runs.
    Especially when you consider the mere material advances. Modern Corporate Capitalism owes a large chunk of its profits to the applied materials that were developed for the space programs. Just as big pharm owes much of its patents to the NIH. People tend to forget that the basis for the modern space program was born largely out of government's desire to kill people. I've asked this before, and of course gotten no response, but what new industry was entirely funded by private capital?
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    With the recent batch of new Privately funded Space Explorers, is it time for NASA to be put into moth balls, so all that Tax Payer money can be spent on more productive projects, than spending 79 million dollars to hit the Moon with a rocket.
    'Hitting the moon with a rocket' as you put it was actually quite an elegant solution to that particular problem. The object that actually impacted the moon (well, the first one anyway) was part of the launch vehicle that would ordinarily have fallen back to earth and burned up in the atmosphere. 79 million for something like that is remarkably cheap as well.

    The other issue at stake here is that commercial space exploration is nowhere near as advanced, nor can it do as much, as NASA. While I think that we'll eventually see a scaling back of NASA as more and more commercial space ventures start up, I don't think it'll ever be completely gone, nor should it be.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Why are people talking like NASA doesn't have a budget. It does and it is less than 1% of our federal budget. If anything NASA's budget as a percentage of the national budget has been decreasing for years. Dollar for dollar it is probably one of the most productive programs our government runs.
    True and did you know that the Air Force spends the same amount as NASA for its own space research program? Interesting really. So that amount would be 17.6 billion dollars a year. I can at least hope that the Air Force already has satelites that can hover and track an enemy without needing to orbit the planet. And then the Air Force probably has a decent spacecraft that can go into space and travel to the highly desirable target for the hit squads to kill.

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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    True and did you know that the Air Force spends the same amount as NASA for its own space research program? Interesting really. So that amount would be 17.6 billion dollars a year. I can at least hope that the Air Force already has satelites that can hover and track an enemy without needing to orbit the planet. And then the Air Force probably has a decent spacecraft that can go into space and travel to the highly desirable target for the hit squads to kill.
    Sounds good to me.....

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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    With the recent batch of new Privately funded Space Explorers, is it time for NASA to be put into moth balls, so all that Tax Payer money can be spent on more productive projects, than spending 79 million dollars to hit the Moon with a rocket.
    Wow...I'm sorry but that has got to be the most ignorant statement that I have ever heard.

    You obviously have no idea of the kinds of technology that we now employ thanks to NASA.

    Here..educate yourself...

    10 Types of Technology We Got From NASA (mind you this is just 10 of them..there are way more.)

    NASA Research Finds Way Into IT, Consumer Products

    NASA Office of Technology Transfer

    CNN - 10 more bits of technology that is around thanks to NASA

    Just imagine. Without NASA around you probably wouldn't have near the nifty things that you do...or even get saved by some of that technology.

    IMO NASA should get at least 10X's the amount of funding that it does. At least. As far as I'm concerned NASA is the best program that our government has EVER done. It's really the only one that has ever given more than it's taken. With maybe the exception of the military...which keeps our freedoms secure.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Wow...I'm sorry but that has got to be the most ignorant statement that I have ever heard.

    You obviously have no idea of the kinds of technology that we now employ thanks to NASA.

    Here..educate yourself...

    10 Types of Technology We Got From NASA (mind you this is just 10 of them..there are way more.)

    NASA Research Finds Way Into IT, Consumer Products

    NASA Office of Technology Transfer

    CNN - 10 more bits of technology that is around thanks to NASA

    Just imagine. Without NASA around you probably wouldn't have near the nifty things that you do...or even get saved by some of that technology.

    IMO NASA should get at least 10X's the amount of funding that it does. At least. As far as I'm concerned NASA is the best program that our government has EVER done. It's really the only one that has ever given more than it's taken. With maybe the exception of the military...which keeps our freedoms secure.
    yeah but there has been several technology that was created by the private market not for NASA that NASA uses. If you are trying to say why should we continue funding for NASA it should be for the good of all mankind(sorry women you really don't have a place in this world). Besides the US is hiding great tech from being used. For all we can guess is that the US already has a spacecraft capable of replacing the atlantis already but the government doesn't want the rest of the world to know so they keep it secret. And for what?

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