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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    What technical or engineering knowledge do you have to support your opinions, because that is all they are. You are repeating the opinions of others, of course. Yes, NASA budget is not large compared to the entire budget, but a billion here, a billion there, soon we are talking trillions....
    And Mars is not going to be made habitable by just repeating the opinions of others and/or spending more money on the project.
    The accumulative occurrences that makes Earth habitable are numerous, it is pure luck that conditions here allow life. Do you really think that we can terraform Mars, give it an atmosphere, boost its temperature, boost its gravity, etc.?
    About 50 years ago I read Popular Science regularly, my father's favorite magazine. A lot of the same pipe dreams that were written about then are still being written about....and it makes gullible people invest in things that are never going to happen. Example, Fusion is still at least another 50 years away and is NOT as easy, safe and pollution free as some would have us believe. Second example, the aerocar works, but is stupid. Do we want the average person flying? No, the average person is dangerous enough driving.
    I see some pretty stupid antinuke stuff on one TV show, and the next day some pretty stupid gushing about how wonderful the next imaginary power source is going to be.
    If you are not educated in engineering, energy, physics, chemistry, you will be easily fooled by these media jerks who report on things they know nothing about...
    Dont need a degree in anything to know that the technology in these links are facts. These are things used every day. Do you think they are myths?

    And two hundred years ago people didn't think that we could fly. Yet we have gone to the moon and come back.

    And have you heard about VASIMIR and Ion engines? VASIMIR is still being developed but the Ion engine is currently in use. And from what I have heard may even be installed on the next shuttle. Though it would still have to use chemical rockets initially to break free from the Earth. A good Ion engine could make the trip to mars in just 39 days....with far less fuel consumption than what the current shuttle uses if it were to go the same distance. (imagine how quick it would be to go to the moon. You could literally go there and be back in time for dinner.)

    As far as inhabiting Mars perhaps I did word that wrong. I was thinking of dome colonies. But who knows. One day we might be able to terraform it.

    I have a saying, nothing is impossible if you have the knowledge and resources to do it. And that is part of what NASA is about..gaining the knowledge.

    BTW why use an example of something that works? Just because you think it would be stupid to allow the "average citizen" to use one? We have the technology to input a destination and have jumbo jets fly themselves. Why could that technology not be applied to flying cars? Granted the hard part would be take off and landing but I'm sure something will eventually be worked out in that department.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Dont need a degree in anything to know that the technology in these links are facts. These are things used every day. Do you think they are myths?



    And two hundred years ago people didn't think that we could fly. Yet we have gone to the moon and come back.

    And have you heard about VASIMIR and Ion engines? VASIMIR is still being developed but the Ion engine is currently in use. And from what I have heard may even be installed on the next shuttle. Though it would still have to use chemical rockets initially to break free from the Earth. A good Ion engine could make the trip to mars in just 39 days....with far less fuel consumption than what the current shuttle uses if it were to go the same distance. (imagine how quick it would be to go to the moon. You could literally go there and be back in time for dinner.)

    As far as inhabiting Mars perhaps I did word that wrong. I was thinking of dome colonies. But who knows. One day we might be able to terraform it.

    I have a saying, nothing is impossible if you have the knowledge and resources to do it. And that is part of what NASA is about..gaining the knowledge.

    BTW why use an example of something that works? Just because you think it would be stupid to allow the "average citizen" to use one? We have the technology to input a destination and have jumbo jets fly themselves. Why could that technology not be applied to flying cars? Granted the hard part would be take off and landing but I'm sure something will eventually be worked out in that department.
    It is silly to assume that technology exists thanks to NASA alone. It assumes that others outside NASA would never have made an effort to invent anything. The "long" list attributed to NASA has a lot of fiction in it.

    Why do I use an example that works? To show how naiive many of us are. Fuel Cells work, but are horribly expensive. The cost is justified when using such technology in space, but on earth? Flying cars? IT would take many more computers and satellites to track and control the air traffic. BUT, it would make for a bit of convenience for a few people. Do we have billions to waste nowadays? Technology has progressed far beyond the average persons ability to use it.
    Then there is the pollution aspect. An aerocar gets terrible gas mileage...
    Lots of NASA technology is only economically useful to NASA, and that is because they get to use taxpayer money....
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Lots of NASA technology is only economically useful to NASA, and that is because they get to use taxpayer money....
    Virtually every aspect of government is taxpayer funded. What you suggest is to end the funding of NASA simply because technological progress and scientific breakthroughs cost money. That was the rationale behind the decision to terminate the Superconducting Super Collider (SSC). The European CERN collider will now unlock the fundamental secrets of nature that the US declined to harvest.

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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    True enough that many projects are Tax Payer funded. and have you ever thought to question who gave them the go ahead on all those projects?? We should be allowed to vote on projects before they are funded. Just to give guibment a blank check, and say "Happy Shopping" is just one reason we are in the shape we are in. They will always spend more than we give them. We have our heads in the air, but no longer have our feet on the ground. At the rate we are destroying our Planet, we won't be around long enough to spread our virus into Space. And space will be happy. ---to ignore problems here at home, and act like they will fix themselves, and to focus on that grass that looks greener on the other side of the fence, is Human Nature at it's best. --We are slow studies it seems.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Virtually every aspect of government is taxpayer funded. What you suggest is to end the funding of NASA simply because technological progress and scientific breakthroughs cost money. That was the rationale behind the decision to terminate the Superconducting Super Collider (SSC). The European CERN collider will now unlock the fundamental secrets of nature that the US declined to harvest.

    Nothing ventured is nothing gained. We are the children of the stars and there are no freebies in nature. Everything has a concomitant cost.
    Where did I suggest ending the funding?
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Where did I suggest ending the funding?
    You didn't in so many words. But you have suggested that the mission of NASA be gerrymandered and that the NASA budget contributes to bankrupting the United States.

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    I wouldn't abolish NASA, just redirect some of its efforts...
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    So, why do we still pursue the impossible with so much money? should we bankrupt the nation for useless knowledge?

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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Knowledge, and five bucks, will buy ya a hamburger
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    Knowledge, and five bucks, will buy ya a hamburger
    And 9 out of every 10 voters above find your NASA menu indigestable
    Last edited by Tashah; 12-26-09 at 12:57 PM.

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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    And 9 out of every 10 voters above find your NASA menu indigestable
    folks don't have to agree with my views. and they are more than welcome to add their own. It's not about me, but tax payer money being spent on projects that only a very few benefit from.---Spend that money to stop them from pumping the Gulf of Mexico full of poison, via the Mississippi river, if you want to help people. we have hundreds if not thousands of miles of "dead Zones" where nothing can live. Is hittin the moon with one more rocket, more important than that?
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    folks don't have to agree with my views. and they are more than welcome to add their own. It's not about me, but tax payer money being spent on projects that only a very few benefit from.---Spend that money to stop them from pumping the Gulf of Mexico full of poison, via the Mississippi river, if you want to help people. we have hundreds if not thousands of miles of "dead Zones" where nothing can live. Is hittin the moon with one more rocket, more important than that?
    Mighty strange you don't complain about the National Endowment of the Arts getting a budget increase. You're ire is very selective and not very well thought out.

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