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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    thirst for knowledge, as an incentive to work fast and efficient, doesn't quite do it for me. Why is this the only field that would consider that reasonable incentive? Don't forget I have Friends who work there. we discuss this a lot.
    Part in bold: I doubt that very seriously. For the simple fact of the way you have posted in this thread. You display no knowledge of what NASA actually does. Nor any understanding of it.

    Not everyone is as greedy as you seem to think. There are quite a few people where knowledge is far more preferable. Otherwise why not become a lawyer or politician? They get paid far more than those that work in NASA. And if they can work in NASA they sure as hell could have become lawyers.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Part in bold: I doubt that very seriously. For the simple fact of the way you have posted in this thread. You display no knowledge of what NASA actually does. Nor any understanding of it.

    Not everyone is as greedy as you seem to think. There are quite a few people where knowledge is far more preferable. Otherwise why not become a lawyer or politician? They get paid far more than those that work in NASA. And if they can work in NASA they sure as hell could have become lawyers.
    So now you question my honesty, and not just my opinion.---I don't much care for folks like you, and will converse with you no longer
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    Missed the part where I said, "I would vote for" didn't ya.
    Well then why are you bitching about NASA? The people voted for politicians who choose to fund NASA.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    in the 60's we were gearing up for a trip to the moon, that kind of money was needed then, not now.
    We the people have almost no say in how congress spends tax dollars. To think otherwise is naiive...
    And that is exatcly my point. To think that NASA - a program which on average the government spends ~0.5% of it's entire budget on - is expensive is ludicrous. The program has provided and continues to research & provide terabytes of data for dozens of different fields, experiments and companies. All of this at around 17 billion dollars for a program which comprises not just space missions but the upkeep of space stations & satellites, the salaries of thousands and the research done by dozens of companies around the world for NASA. Seriously. You can't POSSIBLY say NASA isn't more than worth what it costs.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    Name on thing that Humans did on the Moon, that a robot couldn't have done safer and cheaper. ---And hittin a golf ball don't count.
    You have been attacking NASA as an institution, not manned missions specifically. When you figure out what exactly it is about NASA that pisses you off so much, get back to us.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And that is exatcly my point. To think that NASA - a program which on average the government spends ~0.5% of it's entire budget on - is expensive is ludicrous. The program has provided and continues to research & provide terabytes of data for dozens of different fields, experiments and companies. All of this at around 17 billion dollars for a program which comprises not just space missions but the upkeep of space stations & satellites, the salaries of thousands and the research done by dozens of companies around the world for NASA. Seriously. You can't POSSIBLY say NASA isn't more worth what it costs.
    As long as tax payers are given the right to decide it's worth today. We were full of the promise of "Space travel" when NASA started. We saw "2001" and thought it was the future. Well it ain't. Now days we need to redirect that focus on things that serve a more immediate need. the Moon will still be there. If private concerns deem if profitable.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    As long as tax payers are given the right to decide it's worth today. We were full of the promise of "Space travel" when NASA started. We saw "2001" and thought it was the future. Well it ain't. Now days we need to redirect that focus on things that serve a more immediate need. the Moon will still be there. If private concerns deem if profitable.
    I don't know how old you are but if you actually thought that you'd be flying space ships because you saw it in a movie and somebody told you so in the sixties, you're a complete f'n idiot. I don't honestly care what you thought you'd be able to do in the future though. What I do care about is your Pauligan belief that NASA is expensive and that it isn't worth what it costs. It's pure buffoonery.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    As long as tax payers are given the right to decide it's worth today.
    Taxpayers are given the right to decide that every single time there is an election. Vote your congressman/senators/president out of office if their support of NASA pisses you off so much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy
    We were full of the promise of "Space travel" when NASA started. We saw "2001" and thought it was the future. Well it ain't. Now days we need to redirect that focus on things that serve a more immediate need.
    Why can't we do both? NASA's budget is a pittance compared to the federal budget.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy
    the Moon will still be there. If private concerns deem if profitable.
    This is a strawman. Why do you continually act as though NASA's sole reason for existence is to send human astronauts to the moon or anywhere else? NASA conducts most of its research with unmanned probes.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    So now you question my honesty, and not just my opinion.---I don't much care for folks like you, and will converse with you no longer
    When you state one thing and show another through several posts people are going to question your honesty.
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    Re: Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    *looks back through the posts*

    Where are you links to prove what you have said? I see my links disproving what you have said but I don't see any links from you? At least my opinions are backed up with facts.

    And I only think little of others opinions when those opinions are based on nothing but misconcieved ideas of what NASA does. And your posts have proven that your whole opinion is based off of just that. Misconcieved ideas.

    Through out this whole thread you have said that NASA is a waste of money because it "doesn't do anything productive". I've shown how NASA has helped tremendously. You brush it off saying that private companies could have done the same thing. Well, they didn't. NASA did it. Shoulda coulda woulda's don't mean crap to reality.

    You've complained about NASA's MASSIVE budget, me and others have shown that NASA gets less than 1% of the US's budget. IE their budget isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to other projects which are failing, and yet get billions of more money than NASA.

    You call other planets "pieces of dirt" basically saying that it's not worth going to them. Do you have any idea of the type of resources available on those other planets? Do you not realize that Mars could eventually be adapted enough for humans to live on? OH wait, your of the "mother earth" variety. nvm.
    What technical or engineering knowledge do you have to support your opinions, because that is all they are. You are repeating the opinions of others, of course. Yes, NASA budget is not large compared to the entire budget, but a billion here, a billion there, soon we are talking trillions....
    And Mars is not going to be made habitable by just repeating the opinions of others and/or spending more money on the project.
    The accumulative occurrences that makes Earth habitable are numerous, it is pure luck that conditions here allow life. Do you really think that we can terraform Mars, give it an atmosphere, boost its temperature, boost its gravity, etc.?
    About 50 years ago I read Popular Science regularly, my father's favorite magazine. A lot of the same pipe dreams that were written about then are still being written about....and it makes gullible people invest in things that are never going to happen. Example, Fusion is still at least another 50 years away and is NOT as easy, safe and pollution free as some would have us believe. Second example, the aerocar works, but is stupid. Do we want the average person flying? No, the average person is dangerous enough driving.
    I see some pretty stupid antinuke stuff on one TV show, and the next day some pretty stupid gushing about how wonderful the next imaginary power source is going to be.
    If you are not educated in engineering, energy, physics, chemistry, you will be easily fooled by these media jerks who report on things they know nothing about...
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