Has NASA Outlived it's Usefulness?

Skateguy said:

Private enterprise is exploring space, and for a profit.

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Give some examples. All you've posted here is merely tourism and that's largely why you are getting laughed at. Nothing about actual exploration.

As far as going to places that are dangerous, or non profitable, I see no good reason to go there. do you?

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Under your reasoning, no one would have gone to the moon. Or frankly even into space in the first place.

It's pretty clear you don't understand what capitalism is or how it functions in exploratory science.

Skateguy said:

By readin your stement, I can tell which side you are on. Private enterprise is exploring space, and for a profit. NASA, is just resting on it's Laurals, and doing little or nothin, on the tax payers dime. ---As far as going to places that are dangerous, or non profitable, I see no good reason to go there. do you?

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whoa whoa!! NASA is doing a lot. It doesn't take overnight to build a new spacecraft. It takes years and years for it to happen. That's why when the space shuttle goes into retirement NASA can focus on the new space shuttle that will take astronauts to the moon and mars. And actually we have a lot planned for space, here is a list:
Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE) →
Major mission of the Explorer program.

AIM: Aeronomy of Ice in the Mesosphere
AIM's two-year mission is to study Polar Mesospheric Clouds, the Earth’s highest clouds, which form an icy membrane 50 miles above the surface at the edge of space.

Aqua
Aqua, Latin for water, is a NASA Earth Science satellite mission named for the large amount of information that the mission will be collecting about the Earth's water cycle.

ARCTAS
Arctic Research of the Composition of the Troposphere from Aircraft and Satellites

Astro-E2/Suzaku
The Suzaku mission is a joint effort of JAXA and NASA designed to discover more about the x-ray universe.

Aura Mission
A mission dedicated to the health of Earth's atmosphere.

CALIPSO
CALIPSO will provide the next generation of climate observations, drastically improving our ability to predict climate change and to study the air we breathe.

Cassini-Huygens Mission
Unlocking the secrets of Saturn.

Chandra X-ray Observatory
NASA's Chandra X-Ray Observatory probes the mysteries of space with unprecedented x-ray images that help to unravel the structure and evolution of the universe.

CINDI
CINDI will study the elements that influence space weather near Earth's equator.

CloudSat
CloudSat's cloud-profiling radar is 1,000 times more sensitive than typical weather radar and can detect clouds and distinguish between cloud particles and precipitation.

Cosmic Hot Interstellar Plasma Spectrometer (CHIPS) →
CHIPS uses an extreme ultraviolet spectrograph to study the "Local Bubble" surrounding our Solar System.

Constellation: NASA's Future
A new generation of spacecraft will carry humans to the moon, Mars and beyond.

Cluster ESA/NASA Mission →
The four Cluster spacecraft carry out 3D measurements in the Earth's Magnetosphere.

Dawn
Dawn launched in September, becoming the first spacecraft ever planned to orbit two different bodies after leaving Earth. The spacecraft will orbit Vesta and Ceres, two of the largest asteroids in the solar system.

Deep Impact
Exploring Comet Tempel 1 to determine the origins of life in our Solar System.

Earth Probe Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer (EP-TOMS) →
Earth Probe Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer (EP-TOMS), along with the Ozone Monitoring Instrument onboard AURA, are currently the only NASA spacecraft on orbit specializing in ozone retrieval.

Earth Observing-1 →
As the first New Millennium Program Earth Observing Mission, EO-1 has validated advanced land imaging and unique spacecraft technologies.

EPOXI
EPOXI is a low-cost mission that will expand our knowledge of both cometary bodies and extrasolar planetary systems.

Fire and Smoke
NASA satellites, aircraft, and research know-how have created a wealth of cutting-edge tools to help firefighters battle wildfires.

GALEX
Mapping the history of star formation in the universe.

› Galaxy Evolution Explorer

GLAST Launches on Gamma Ray Mission
The Gamma-ray Large Area Space Telescope will answer questions about supermassive black hole systems, pulsars and the origin of cosmic rays.

Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellites (GOES)
GOES-N is the latest in a series of satellites that provide a constant vigil for the atmospheric "triggers" for severe weather conditions such as tornadoes and hurricanes.

GOES-O
The Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite (GOES)-O represents the newest generation of environmental satellites.

Geotail Mission →
A mission to study the tail of Earth's magnetosphere.

Gravity Probe B
This mission is the relativity gyroscope experiment developed by NASA and Stanford University to test two unverified predictions of Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity.

Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment →
The twin satellites are making detailed measurements of Earth's gravity field to learn more about gravity and Earth's natural systems.

Hayabusa (MUSES-C) →
Hayabusa (MUSES-C) is Japan's asteroid sample return mission.

Herschel
The Herschel Space Observatory is a space-based telescope that will study the Universe by the light of the far-infrared and submillimeter portions of the spectrum.

High Energy Transient Explorer-2 (HETE-2) Mission →
HETE-2 is a small scientific satellite designed to detect and localize gamma-ray bursts.

Hinode (Solar B)
A collaboration between the space agencies of Japan, the United States, United Kingdom and Europe, Hinode's mission is to investigate the interaction between the sun's magnetic field and its corona.

Hubble Space Telescope
Learn how Hubble has expanded our knowledge of the cosmos.

› Hubble Section
› Servicing Mission 4

Hurricanes
Latest storm images and data from NASA.

IBEX
A mission to achieve the first global observations of the region beyond the termination shock at the very edge of our solar system.

Ice Cloud and Land Elevation Satellite (ICEsat) Mission →
The ICESat mission will provide multi-year elevation data regarding ice sheet mass balance as well as cloud property information, especially for stratospheric clouds common over polar areas.

International Gamma-Ray Astrophysics Laboratory (INTEGRAL) →
INTEGRAL is the most sensitive gamma-ray observatory ever launched.

International Space Station
Aboard the International Space Station, astronauts work to improve life on Earth and extend life beyond our home planet.

Jason →
Jason-1 is the first follow-on to the highly successful TOPEX/Poseidon mission that measured ocean surface topography.

Kepler
View Kepler-related videos and other multimedia.

Landsat →
The Landsat Program is a series of Earth-observing satellite missions jointly managed by NASA and the U.S. Geological Survey.

LCROSS
The LCROSS mission's objective is to confirm the presence or absence of water ice in a permanently shadowed crater at the moon's South Pole.

LRO: Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter
The LRO mission objectives are to find safe landing sites, locate potential resources, characterize the radiation environment, and demonstrate new technology.

Mars Express →
Mission to search for subsurface water from orbit.

Mars Exploration Rovers
Rovers Spirit and Opportunity explore the Martian landscape.

Mars Odyssey →
This orbiter is mapping the mineralogy and morphology of the Martian surface.

Moon Mineralogy Mapper →
Aboard the Chandrayaan-1 spacecraft, whose technology mission has been completed successfully and now embarks on a scientific mission.

Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter
The mission will determine whether long-standing bodies of water ever existed on Mars.

› MRO Site

Mercury, Surface, Space Environment, Geochemistry and Ranging (MESSENGER) Mission
MESSENGER will study Mercury, the closest planet to the Sun.

Mini-RF
The Mini-RF project will fly two radar instruments to the moon to map the lunar poles, search for water ice, and to demonstrate future NASA communication technologies.

New Horizons
New Horizons began its journey across the solar system to conduct flyby studies of Pluto and its moon.

NOAA Environmental Satellites
NOAA-N is the latest in a series of polar-orbiting satellites, that will collect information to improve weather prediction and climate research across the globe.

NOAA-N Prime
NOAA-N Prime will provide a polar-orbiting platform to support environmental monitoring instruments for imaging and measuring Earth's atmosphere and sea surface temperature.

Ocean Surface Topography Mission/Jason 2
The joint NASA-French satellite will help scientists better monitor and understand rises in global sea level, study the world's ocean circulation and its links to Earth's climate.

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Operation Ice Bridge
Operation Ice Bridge, a six-year NASA field campaign, is the largest airborne survey of Earth's polar ice ever flown. It will yield a three-dimensional view of Arctic and Antarctic ice sheets, ice shelves and sea ice.

Pioneer
A journey through our solar system and beyond.

Pioneer Venus
The mission's objective was to investigate the Venus's solar wind, map the planet's surface and study the upper atmosphere.

Planck
Planck will provide a map of the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) field.

Polar Operational Environmental Satellite (POES) →
POES is a cooperative effort between NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the United Kingdom and France.

QuikScat
The Quick Scatterometer, or QuikScat, replaces the NASA Scatterometer (NSCAT) instrument on Japan's Midori satellite.

Reuven Ramaty High Energy Solar Spectroscopic Imager (RHESSI) →
RHESSI's primary mission is to explore the basic physics of particle acceleration and explosive energy release in solar flares.

Rosetta Mission →
Rosetta will orbit comet 67P and accompany it on its journey to the Sun.

Rossi X-ray Timing Explorer (RXTE) Mission →
RXTE is a satellite that observes the fast-moving, high-energy worlds of black holes, neutron stars, X-ray pulsars and bursts of X-rays that light up the sky and then disappear forever.

SERVIR
The SERVIR initiative integrates satellite observations, ground-based data and forecast models to monitor and forecast environmental changes.

SMART 1 →
SMART 1's two part mission will test new technologies and explore darker regions of the Moon's south pole for the first time.

SOFIA
The Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy--or SOFIA--is an airborne observatory that will complement the Hubble, Spitzer, Herschel and James Webb space telescopes, as well as major Earth-based telescopes.

Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO)
SOHO, designed to study the sun, from its deep core to its outer corona, is a cooperative program between ESA and NASA.

Solar Radiation and Climate Experiment (SORCE) →
A NASA-sponsored satellite mission that will provide state-of-the-art measurements of incoming x-ray, ultraviolet, visible, near-infrared, and total solar radiation.

Solar TErrestrial RElations Observatory (STEREO)
STEREO continues its mission to capture 3D images of the sun.

Small Satellite Missions
Small satellite missions provide NASA with valuable opportunities to test emerging technologies and economical commercial off-the-shelf components, which may be useful in future space missions.

Space Shuttle
The space shuttle is the most complex machine ever built and its capacity is instrumental in building the International Space Station.

Spitzer Space Telescope
NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope, studying the universe in infared.

Stardust-NExT
Exploring Comet Tempel 1

Submillimeter Wave Astronomy Satellite (SWAS) →
A mission that was designed to study the chemical composition of interstellar gas clouds.

Swift
The Swift mission seeks to tell us more about gamma-ray bursts, the most powerful explosions in the universe.

TacSat-2
TacSat-2 features 11 onboard experiments, which will be conducted during the spacecraft’s planned six to 12-month mission.

Terra
Terra is a multi-national, multi-disciplinary partnership between the U.S., Canada and Japan that is an important part of helping us better understand and protect our home planet.

THEMIS
The 2-year mission of Time History of Events and Macroscale Interactions During Substorms (THEMIS) is to track these violent, colorful eruptions near the North Pole.

Thermospere Ionosphere Mesosphere Energetics and Dynamics Mission (TIMED) →
The TIMED mission is studying the influences of the Sun and humans on the least explored region of Earth's atmosphere.

Tracking and Data Relay Satellite (TDRS)
This system of satellites and ground stations makes up a portion of the Space Network and provides mission services for near Earth satellites and orbiting vehicles.

Transition Region and Coronal Explorer (TRACE) Mission →
TRACE enables solar physicists to study the connections between fine-scale magnetic fields and the associated plasma structures on the Sun.

Tropical Composition, Cloud and Climate Coupling (TC4)
The TC4 study will tackle challenging questions about Earth's ozone layer and climate using coordinated observations from satellites and high-flying NASA airplanes.

Tropical Rainfall Measuring Mission (TRMM) →
TRMM is a joint mission between NASA and the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency designed to monitor and study tropical rainfall.

Voyager - The Interstellar Mission
Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 journey to study the region in space where the Sun's influence ends and the dark recesses of interstellar space begin.

WISE: Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer
WISE will study the solar system, Milky Way and universe. Among the objects WISE will study are asteroids, the coolest and dimmest stars and the most luminous galaxies.

Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) →
A mission to take the first full sky picture of the early Universe.

Wind Mission →
A mission to investigate the solar wind and its impact on the near-Earth environment.

XMM-Newton →
The Mirror Modules on this x-ray observatory allow XMM-Newton to detect millions of sources, far more than any previous X-ray mission.

obvious Child said:

Give some examples. All you've posted here is merely tourism and that's largely why you are getting laughed at. Nothing about actual exploration.



Under your reasoning, no one would have gone to the moon. Or frankly even into space in the first place.

It's pretty clear you don't understand what capitalism is or how it functions in exploratory science.

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through out time Men of wisdom have been laughed at by the ignorant. Nothin knew here. ---There is no need to go to the Moon, or into space itself. Now for communications, or for travel, space is a good route to take. what on the Moon, do your personally want to pay for, to bring back to earth?

Skateguy said:

through out time Men of wisdom have been laughed at by the ignorant. Nothin knew here. ---There is no need to go to the Moon, or into space itself. Now for communications, or for travel, space is a good route to take. what on the Moon, do your personally want to pay for, to bring back to earth?

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Oh boy. Ignorance.

Helium 3. Look up Fusion.

I'm still waiting for you to show me private industry doing anything more than tourism.

obvious Child said:

Oh boy. Ignorance.

Helium 3. Look up Fusion.

I'm still waiting for you to show me private industry doing anything more than tourism.

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you know for someone with the handle of "obvious" you'd think you'd obviously know he doesn't have an answer.

obvious Child said:

Oh boy. Ignorance.

Helium 3. Look up Fusion.

I'm still waiting for you to show me private industry doing anything more than tourism.

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tourism is where the money is. Does "Continental" try to pay the bills by exploring? that is for the funded, or the very rich. What paid for the Titanic--tourism.

stalin_was_a_nice_being said:

you know for someone with the handle of "obvious" you'd think you'd obviously know he doesn't have an answer.

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It is page 24. You do have a point. It does disturb me that an increasing percentage of users here really have little more then "I say so" and are virtually incapable of defending their positions with actual evidence. Good thing I'm going on a trip soon. Hopefully it will be better when (and if) I come back.

Skateguy said:

tourism is where the money is.

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And as you ignore for the umpteenth time, private tourism is only where it is now because public funding did all of the work to get it there.

Does "Continental" try to pay the bills by exploring? that is for the funded, or the very rich. What paid for the Titanic--tourism.

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Tell me, how is space tourism going to get us H3 from the moon to feed fusion reactors for endless cheap and clean energy?

You seem to think that private industry can replace NASA yet you argue that private industry won't fund the many projects of NASA. That makes largely no sense as you cannot replace NASA with entities that won't do its job.

obvious Child said:

And as you ignore for the umpteenth time, private tourism is only where it is now because public funding did all of the work to get it there.



Tell me, how is space tourism going to get us H3 from the moon to feed fusion reactors for endless cheap and clean energy?

You seem to think that private industry can replace NASA yet you argue that private industry won't fund the many projects of NASA. That makes largely no sense as you cannot replace NASA with entities that won't do its job.

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Ok, lets see what I can say to end your apprehension.---Public funding has not been at the base of the new tourism Space industry. Private investors have. NASA, has been about going to the Moon, with no plan of action other than going there. Hitting a few golf balls, don't count. All of what we learned there could have been done with robotics.--- There is no long range plan for the private individual , to have space travel through NASA. I see no need to replace NASA, as I see nothing that they have planned that would be a direct benefit to those tax payers that have been funding them for 40 years. We can no longer afford projects that are not profitable---we are in the poor house now, and in debt to many foreign countries, that will soon be coming to collect on said debt. --Some People seem to think we are still a wealthy country. People are starving and homeless. Space can wait, it's not going anywhere.

Skateguy said:

Public funding has not been at the base of the new tourism Space industry

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Wrong. Public funding has provided the base of private space tourism by providing much of the applied materials, known how, expertise and manufacturing processes. What it has not done is provide the capital for the actual firms. Your argument explicitly ignores that the modern private space industry is leapfrogging off of the many advances produced by public funding. Basically you are saying that private rocketry owes absolutely nothing to the state financing towards the science of rocketry. And that's why you are getting ridiculed.

Look at it this way, your argument is analogous to saying all internet based firms owe absolutely nothing to the public funding of the internet, computers and coding. That nothing public funding did helped them get to where they are now. That none of the advances funded by the government for internet, computers and coding are related to internet based firms.

NASA, has been about going to the Moon, with no plan of action other than going there.

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Seriously? More then a few people have provided long lists of things NASA does other then the moon. Ignoring them doesn't make you right.

Hitting a few golf balls, don't count.

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This is why you get laughed at. You ignore the tremendous material advances in insulation, solid fuels, habitation, computers and rocketry that was required to to the moon to hit a few golf balls only to focus on hitting a few golf balls.

All of what we learned there could have been done with robotics.

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Say what? Tell me, can a robot give me the data that a human can do? Can a robot test a space suit? Do you know what the level of robotics was back in the 60s and 70s?

There is no long range plan for the private sector, to have space travel through NASA. I see no need to replace NASA, as I see nothing that they have planned that would be a direct benefit to those tax payers that have been funding them for 40 years.

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Ignoring lists of commercially applied advances doesn't make you right. You appear at this point uninterested in anything anyone has to say other then yourself as evident by your refusal to even acknowledge the material advances made by NASA.

We can no longer afford projects that are not profitable---we are in the poor house now, and in debt to many foreign countries, that will soon be coming to collect on said debt. --Some People seem to think we are still a wealthy country. People are starving and homeless. Space can wait, it's not going anywhere.

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NASA is a mere $17 billion. We could cut that from a variety of programs that don't result in commercially viable material advances.

Ignoring things you don't like that blow holes in your argument doesn't make your arguments valid. It makes you look extremely weak.

Skateguy said:

NASA, has been about going to the Moon, with no plan of action other than going there.

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Incorrect. You should look at NASA's long range plans before saying such things.

NASA to set up polar moon camp

HOUSTON - NASA announced Monday its strategy and rationale for robotic and human exploration of the moon, determining that a lunar outpost is the best approach to achieve a sustained, human presence there.

The base would be built in incremental steps, starting with four-person crews making several seven-day visits. The first mission would begin by 2020, with the base growing over time, beefed up with more power, mobility rovers and living quarters.

The moon base would eventually support 180-day lunar stays, a stretch of time seen as the best avenue to establish a permanent presence there, as well as prepare for future human exploration of Mars.

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I wonder who will benefit from the technology that will be derived from such a project? Answer: The Public will. I wonder if that base camp will eventually become large enough to possibly house civilians that could possibly live there permanently. Answer: The possibility is high. Perhaps even have children there. Answer: The possibility is high.

obvious Child said:

Wrong. Public funding has provided the base of private space tourism by providing much of the applied materials, known how, expertise and manufacturing processes. What it has not done is provide the capital for the actual firms. Your argument explicitly ignores that the modern private space industry is leapfrogging off of the many advances produced by public funding. Basically you are saying that private rocketry owes absolutely nothing to the state financing towards the science of rocketry. And that's why you are getting ridiculed.

Look at it this way, your argument is analogous to saying all internet based firms owe absolutely nothing to the public funding of the internet, computers and coding. That nothing public funding did helped them get to where they are now. That none of the advances funded by the government for internet, computers and coding are related to internet based firms.



Seriously? More then a few people have provided long lists of things NASA does other then the moon. Ignoring them doesn't make you right.



This is why you get laughed at. You ignore the tremendous material advances in insulation, solid fuels, habitation, computers and rocketry that was required to to the moon to hit a few golf balls only to focus on hitting a few golf balls.



Say what? Tell me, can a robot give me the data that a human can do? Can a robot test a space suit? Do you know what the level of robotics was back in the 60s and 70s?



Ignoring lists of commercially applied advances doesn't make you right. You appear at this point uninterested in anything anyone has to say other then yourself as evident by your refusal to even acknowledge the material advances made by NASA.



NASA is a mere $17 billion. We could cut that from a variety of programs that don't result in commercially viable material advances.

Ignoring things you don't like that blow holes in your argument doesn't make your arguments valid. It makes you look extremely weak.

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Name three things that were a direct result of NASA, that could not have been made with out a space program.---Not much requires Zero Gs. to produce. --So the answer is to make what we need, and pass on doing the rest of the wasteful stuff.---How much Carbon Fiber does the shuttle use again, I forget.---only rich people speak of 17 billion dollars as "mere" --just another sign of a spoiled populace, that can't pay their bills now.---and your repeated reference to people laughing at me, has no relevance to the topic at all, just shows poor manners.

Skateguy said:

Name three things that were a direct result of NASA, that could not have been made with out a space program.---Not much requires Zero Gs. to produce. --So the answer is to make what we need, and pass on doing the rest of the wasteful stuff.---How much Carbon Fiber does the suttle use again, I forget.

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Doesn't matter if it could have been made without NASA. The fact is that it was made with NASA.

Hitler could have won.

Lincoln could have not been shot.

9/11 could have been prevented.

Could does not equal what is.

As for it being wasteful, that is purely your opinion. And as your own poll indicates...you are clearly in the minority in thinking that.

Skateguy said:

NASA has become obsolete. They were relevant 30 years ago. today they are fat and bloated, not to mention top heavy. they are to comfortable in their stale position. were new private enterprises are now the cutting edge of technology.--NASA is to old and fat to keep up with Knew Kids on the block.

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Who are these new private enterprises that are going to pay for a probe to explore Titan's atmosphere? The names of these companies, please. I'll wait.

Skateguy said:

when Kennedy said to go to the Moon, he had no idea what to do when we got there. He was simply trying to one up the Russians, at our expense. What good has any of those Moon trips done us?? People didn't even watch the last one, cause it was just more of the same ole thing. tomorrow is in front of us, not behind us.

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This is completely irrelevant, as NASA does far more than moon missions. :roll:

Kandahar said:

Who are these new private enterprises that are going to pay for a probe to explore Titan's atmosphere? The names of these companies, please. I'll wait.



This is completely irrelevant, as NASA does far more than moon missions. :roll:

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Nobody with a good head for business, would go probing anything that did not offer some reasonable chance for financial gain---Unless they had somebody to fund all those "fun projects' for their amusement. --we have serious work to do here. Having our heads in the air, or in the sand, won't further that agenda. this is the real world, not Star Trek.

Skateguy said:

Nobody with a good head for business, would go probing anything that did not offer some reasonable chance for financial gain

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...which is exactly why we need NASA to conduct most of the research.

Kandahar said:

...which is exactly why we need NASA to conduct most of the research.

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since they have done such a stellar job so far?? No thanks. they had a good run, on our dime. Now it is time for them to accept their medals, and step aside for the New Breed of space Travelers. --I have reserved a seat. this isn't 1969 anymore. things change.--NASA doesn't

Skateguy said:

Name three things that were a direct result of NASA, that could not have been made with out a space program.

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You want a counter-factual with evidence from a parallel universe?

Excuse me while I laugh at you some more.

Not much requires Zero Gs. to produce. --So the answer is to make what we need, and pass on doing the rest of the wasteful stuff.---How much Carbon Fiber does the shuttle use again, I forget.---only rich people speak of 17 billion dollars as "mere" --just another sign of a spoiled populace, that can't pay their bills now.---and your repeated reference to people laughing at me, has no relevance to the topic at all, just shows poor manners.

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Interesting coming from the user who has gone out of his way to ignore rebuttal after rebuttal after rebuttal only to post the same refuted garbage over and over again.

I'm getting rude because you are refusing to even acknowledge posts that refute your's.

And $17 billion is a drop in the bucket compared to the total budget and debt of the United States.

Skateguy said:

Nobody with a good head for business, would go probing anything that did not offer some reasonable chance for financial gain

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Then why the hell do you think we should get rid of NASA?

Only a fool denies the tangible benefits NASA has provided. Yet you argue that we should get rid of NASA despite its long history of tangible benefits and let private sector funding which will as you yourself state, NOT fund exploration and research take over.

It as if you don't want to expand research and commercial applications of new discoveries.

I take you want to get rid of the NIH despite its history of churning out drug after drug?

Unless they had somebody to fund all those "fun projects' for their amusement. --we have serious work to do here. Having our heads in the air, or in the sand, won't further that agenda. this is the real world, not Star Trek.

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Serious work? Apparently providing fuel for fusion reactors isn't "serious work."

I didn't see your answer to my previous question. Would you stop using everything that incorporates something NASA discovered?

obvious Child said:

Interesting coming from the user who has gone out of his way to ignore rebuttal after rebuttal after rebuttal only to post the same refuted garbage over and over again.

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I know he's purposely ignoring my posts. Because I didn't believe him that he had an astronaut friend. And told him so. Even explained to him why I didn't believe him. He threw a hissy fit and told me he wasn't going to respond to my posts anymore.

idk said:

How valuable is NASA? They gave us Tempur-pedic mattresses. Case closed.

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They gave us Tang.

obvious Child said:

You want a counter-factual with evidence from a parallel universe?

Excuse me while I laugh at you some more.



Interesting coming from the user who has gone out of his way to ignore rebuttal after rebuttal after rebuttal only to post the same refuted garbage over and over again.

I'm getting rude because you are refusing to even acknowledge posts that refute your's.

And $17 billion is a drop in the bucket compared to the total budget and debt of the United States.

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People stomping their feet, and saying I'm wrong, does not make for a rebuttal.---did you name three things, no--you just attack me, because you have nothin.

American said:

They gave us Tang.

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Tang was invented in 1957, I do believe.

Come on Folks, I got one hand tied behind my back---show me how valuable NASA has been in the last 20 years, and how 42 billion Dollars is just a drop in the bucket.