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Thread: Do animals deserve a right to life?

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    Re: Do animals deserve a right to life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Of course not, we're right in the middle of it with everything else . . . it's one big circle.

    However - we exist on a different level of thought, communication and awareness, etc etc etc - which makes us more advanced.

    Thus - my dogs live in the back yard and not in my house.
    But animals teach us things, and we teach them. For example, some robotics scientists have created lobster-like robots to better navigate and explore the ocean depths, and we in turn have taught cats how to poop using our toilets.

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    Re: Do animals deserve a right to life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    On (at least) one level,... they do.

    As does a pre-birth child, blue whale, amoeba and a sparrow... have an equal right to each their own lives.

    Would you like for me to explain?
    Oh please do. I'm eager to hear how anything in the world has a 'right' to life that's not granted by a governing body.

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    Re: Do animals deserve a right to life?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Oh please do. I'm eager to hear how anything in the world has a 'right' to life that's not granted by a governing body.
    Ask him what pre-birth is.
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    Re: Do animals deserve a right to life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Of course not, we're right in the middle of it with everything else . . . it's one big circle.

    However - we exist on a different level of thought, communication and awareness, etc etc etc - which makes us more advanced.

    Thus - my dogs live in the back yard and not in my house.
    I am curious how one assesses the thought and awareness of anything they are unable to communicate with.

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    Re: Do animals deserve a right to life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ask him what pre-birth is.
    Probably 'pre-existence', eh?

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    Re: Do animals deserve a right to life?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Probably 'pre-existence', eh?
    Considering that according to Chuz, birth happens at conception, one can't help wonder just what pre-birth is.
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    fyi Re: Do animals deserve a right to life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ask him what pre-birth is.
    PRE-BIRTH

    –noun 1.the period, usually six months, preceding a child's birth.
    –adjective 2.pertaining to or occurring during such a period.

    Origin:
    pre- + birth


    pre-
    pref.

      1. Earlier; before; prior to: prehistoric.
      2. Preparatory; preliminary: premedical.
      3. In advance: prepay.

    Birth

    Medical Dictionary

    Main Entry: 1birth
    Pronunciation: 'b&rth
    Function: noun
    often attributive

    1 : the emergence of a new individual from the body of its parent
    2 : the act or process of bringing forth young from the womb


    A thinking person might ask themself,... "how can a child emerge from their mother,... if there is no child present in the first place?"

    I digress.
    Last edited by Chuz Life; 12-23-09 at 01:44 AM.

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    Re: Do animals deserve a right to life?

    What about Pre-conception? or is that a misconception?



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    Re: Do animals deserve a right to life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    PRE-BIRTH

    –noun 1.the period, usually six months, preceding a child's birth.
    –adjective 2.pertaining to or occurring during such a period.

    Origin:
    pre- + birth


    pre-
    pref.

      1. Earlier; before; prior to: prehistoric.
      2. Preparatory; preliminary: premedical.
      3. In advance: prepay.

    Birth

    Medical Dictionary

    Main Entry: 1birth
    Pronunciation: 'b&rth
    Function: noun
    often attributive

    1 : the emergence of a new individual from the body of its parent
    2 : the act or process of bringing forth young from the womb


    A thinking person might ask themself,... "how can a child emerge from their mother,... if there is no child present in the first place?"

    I digress.
    Really? I thought birth happened the moment of conception

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    A person is "born" at the moment of their conception.

    That's when they are actually "created" or "brought into existence."

    "Birth" delivering a baby from the mother's womb,...is just a change of address for the child who already has been living for about 9 months.
    So what is it. Either birth happens at conception or after.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 12-23-09 at 01:52 AM.
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    Re: Do animals deserve a right to life?

    Animals don't have rights they cannot conceive. It'd be like giving cavemen nuclear fission... Or a copy of Hobbes' Leviathan.

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