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Do animals deserve a right to life?

Do they?

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 47.2%
  • No

    Votes: 18 50.0%
  • Don't care

    Votes: 1 2.8%

  • Total voters
    36
Excluding enlightened self-interest, why shouldn't they? Do aardvarks and badgers have the same value? How about carp and sharks? You only think humans are special because you happen to be one.
Interesting that you think you know what I think.
Please expound upon this. Be sure to use any and all of my relevant posts to support your position.
 
Animals don't have rights they cannot conceive. It'd be like giving cavemen nuclear fission... Or a copy of Hobbes' Leviathan.
If people and aminals are on the same level, and there is no appreciable difference in their inherent value - given that I can own a dog, what argument is there that I cannot own a black person?
 
Lets immigrate to a country and kill every animal in sight like psychopaths and make the natives cry!
 
The answer to this question is simple. We as humans are omnivores. Animals are on the menu for us. Animals are our food.
 
The answer to this question is simple. We as humans are omnivores. Animals are on the menu for us. Animals are our food.

sometimes they eat us, and if you zoom out on the picture, we all eat everything at some point. All the biomass gets recycled one way or another. :D
 
You should come to realize that there is something out there that created life but we don't have a clue what it was.

Exactly......"something" had to set up the energy within the singularity that created our universe.

Because this "something" had to exist before OUR universe was created then OUR universe MUST be within another universe.

"something" had to create living matter within our universe out of all that dead matter in the beginning.

All the physics and science in the universe cannot rule out the likelyhood of intelligent design that created and set up all the energy in our singularity that produced our big bang.
 
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If your argument against abortion is biological (not spiritual), meaning that embryos/fetuses deserve a "right to life" because they are biologically alive (as is sperm), then why do animals not also deserve a right to life, as biologically they meet all the same criteria, if not moreso. Discuss.

Are human fetuses in our food chain? No, they're not.

next topic?
 
That is great. But you can only be born once. So which one is it. Either you are born at conception. Or you're born during child birth.

Says who?

I just explained to you that you are "Born" in one respect when you came into existence (conception) and that you were born in another respect when you were seperated from your mother.

There was a time when enough people were ignorant enough to believe that the two aspects referenced the same event.

But some of us (who appreciate the significance of the biological facts) now know better.
 
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That's some impressive doublethink.

Here's something else to think about.

An aborted child (no matter what week of gestation) is just as "born" as is any other child is....

The difference is (Most) aborted children are "born" into the hands of someone who was paid to kill them.

Some occasionally survivie despite the efforts to kill them.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPF1FhCMPuQ"]YouTube- Gianna Jessen Abortion Survivor in Australia Part 1[/ame]
 
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Here's something else to think about.

An aborted child (no matter what week of gestation) is just as "born" as is any other child is....

The difference is (Most) aborted children are "born" into the hands of someone who was paid to kill them.

Some occasionally survivie despite the efforts to kill them.

YouTube- Gianna Jessen Abortion Survivor in Australia Part 1

An aborted child is aborted, you can sling words however you want, but an aborted child is aborted. See, it's right there in the adjective before the noun which describes what the noun is....which is aborted.
 
An aborted child is aborted, you can sling words however you want, but an aborted child is aborted. See, it's right there in the adjective before the noun which describes what the noun is....which is aborted.

Scenario #1

A pregnant womangoes to see her doctor, she wants to have her baby delivered on a specific day if at all possible. The Dr. obliges, surgically removes the child by c-section and under the 14th Amendment, the child becomes a citizen of the United States.

Scenerio #2

The same woman goes to her doctor, declares she doesn't want to be pregnant, doesn't want the baby and pays him to "abort the child." By whatever (currently legal) means necessary,.... the Dr. kills then kills and surgically removes the child and disposes of it for her.

Same pregnant woman, same pre-birth child, same doctor, essentially the same surgical procedures,....
 
Same pregnant woman, same pre-birth child, same doctor, essentially the same surgical procedures,....

You don't know much about abortion, do you? It's nothing like a C-section whatsoever. It's an outpatient surgery that any third-rate veterinarian could perform on his day off.
 
You don't know much about abortion, do you? It's nothing like a C-section whatsoever. It's an outpatient surgery that any third-rate veterinarian could perform on his day off.

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Why are you coming after me personally, Rat?

I didn't equate the two (the surgical removal of a baby by c-section with the surgical removal by any other method)

The comparison is that the mother can be the same, the doctor, the baby.... all the same.

Many claim that a child isn't a "person" until it is born.

I'm guessing that they would include children who are "surgically" born.

Right?

Well,... like I said... "an aborted baby is just as surgically born as is one delivered by c-section."

The only "real" difference is that the aborted baby is intentionally killed during their birth. "They are born into the hands of their killers."
 
Why are you coming after me personally, Rat?

It's not personal. There are maybe a handful of issues that I am particularly interested in, and this is one of them. If you were posting the same kind of nonsense about gun control or school reform, you'd really think I was picking on you.

The comparison is that the mother can be the same, the doctor, the baby.... all the same.

Many claim that a child isn't a "person" until it is born.

I'm guessing that they would include children who are "surgically" born.

Right?

Well,... like I said... "an aborted baby is just as surgically born as is one delivered by c-section."

And that makes just about as much sense as your statement that children are born at conception. Aborted babies are not born. The overwhelming majority of them are incapable of being born, and the only thing that abortion has in common with birth is that the fetus is removed from the womb. A more apt analogy would be miscarriage.

Words have meanings. And so far, all of your arguments that I have seen have hinged on abusing the English language to that point that it is no longer useful for meaningful communication.
 
It's not personal. There are maybe a handful of issues that I am particularly interested in, and this is one of them. If you were posting the same kind of nonsense about gun control or school reform, you'd really think I was picking on you.

And that makes just about as much sense as your statement that children are born at conception. Aborted babies are not born. The overwhelming majority of them are incapable of being born, and the only thing that abortion has in common with birth is that the fetus is removed from the womb. A more apt analogy would be miscarriage.

Words have meanings. And so far, all of your arguments that I have seen have hinged on abusing the English language to that point that it is no longer useful for meaningful communication.

Same doctor, same baby, same pregnant woman,...

Same Constitution.

Same words.

Same definitions.

They are what they are,... and It (abortion) is what it is.

I encourage everyone to educate themselves on the issue.

"The proof is out there,... but denial and lies are in your head" --Chuz Life
 
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Scenario #1

A pregnant womangoes to see her doctor, she wants to have her baby delivered on a specific day if at all possible. The Dr. obliges, surgically removes the child by c-section and under the 14th Amendment, the child becomes a citizen of the United States.

Scenerio #2

The same woman goes to her doctor, declares she doesn't want to be pregnant, doesn't want the baby and pays him to "abort the child." By whatever (currently legal) means necessary,.... the Dr. kills then kills and surgically removes the child and disposes of it for her.

Same pregnant woman, same pre-birth child, same doctor, essentially the same surgical procedures,....

Except for the whole stopping the fetus's life thing, yeah totally the same scenario...and the methods used to achieve either baby removed alive or baby aborted...
 
Same doctor, same baby, same pregnant woman,...

Same Constitution.

Same words.

Same definitions.

They are what they are,... and It (abortion) is what it is.

I encourage everyone to educate themselves on the issue.

"The proof is out there,... but denial and lies are in your head" --Chuz Life

"Only pompous douchebags quote themselves."
-Epic Dude
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