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Thread: Do animals deserve a right to life?

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    Re: Do animals deserve a right to life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Same pregnant woman, same pre-birth child, same doctor, essentially the same surgical procedures,....
    You don't know much about abortion, do you? It's nothing like a C-section whatsoever. It's an outpatient surgery that any third-rate veterinarian could perform on his day off.

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    Attn1 Re: Do animals deserve a right to life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    You don't know much about abortion, do you? It's nothing like a C-section whatsoever. It's an outpatient surgery that any third-rate veterinarian could perform on his day off.
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    Why are you coming after me personally, Rat?

    I didn't equate the two (the surgical removal of a baby by c-section with the surgical removal by any other method)

    The comparison is that the mother can be the same, the doctor, the baby.... all the same.

    Many claim that a child isn't a "person" until it is born.

    I'm guessing that they would include children who are "surgically" born.

    Right?

    Well,... like I said... "an aborted baby is just as surgically born as is one delivered by c-section."

    The only "real" difference is that the aborted baby is intentionally killed during their birth. "They are born into the hands of their killers."

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    Re: Do animals deserve a right to life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Why are you coming after me personally, Rat?
    It's not personal. There are maybe a handful of issues that I am particularly interested in, and this is one of them. If you were posting the same kind of nonsense about gun control or school reform, you'd really think I was picking on you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    The comparison is that the mother can be the same, the doctor, the baby.... all the same.

    Many claim that a child isn't a "person" until it is born.

    I'm guessing that they would include children who are "surgically" born.

    Right?

    Well,... like I said... "an aborted baby is just as surgically born as is one delivered by c-section."
    And that makes just about as much sense as your statement that children are born at conception. Aborted babies are not born. The overwhelming majority of them are incapable of being born, and the only thing that abortion has in common with birth is that the fetus is removed from the womb. A more apt analogy would be miscarriage.

    Words have meanings. And so far, all of your arguments that I have seen have hinged on abusing the English language to that point that it is no longer useful for meaningful communication.

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    joke Re: Do animals deserve a right to life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    It's not personal. There are maybe a handful of issues that I am particularly interested in, and this is one of them. If you were posting the same kind of nonsense about gun control or school reform, you'd really think I was picking on you.

    And that makes just about as much sense as your statement that children are born at conception. Aborted babies are not born. The overwhelming majority of them are incapable of being born, and the only thing that abortion has in common with birth is that the fetus is removed from the womb. A more apt analogy would be miscarriage.

    Words have meanings. And so far, all of your arguments that I have seen have hinged on abusing the English language to that point that it is no longer useful for meaningful communication.
    Same doctor, same baby, same pregnant woman,...

    Same Constitution.

    Same words.

    Same definitions.

    They are what they are,... and It (abortion) is what it is.

    I encourage everyone to educate themselves on the issue.

    "The proof is out there,... but denial and lies are in your head" --Chuz Life
    Last edited by Chuz Life; 12-24-09 at 10:06 AM.

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    Re: Do animals deserve a right to life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Scenario #1

    A pregnant womangoes to see her doctor, she wants to have her baby delivered on a specific day if at all possible. The Dr. obliges, surgically removes the child by c-section and under the 14th Amendment, the child becomes a citizen of the United States.

    Scenerio #2

    The same woman goes to her doctor, declares she doesn't want to be pregnant, doesn't want the baby and pays him to "abort the child." By whatever (currently legal) means necessary,.... the Dr. kills then kills and surgically removes the child and disposes of it for her.

    Same pregnant woman, same pre-birth child, same doctor, essentially the same surgical procedures,....
    Except for the whole stopping the fetus's life thing, yeah totally the same scenario...and the methods used to achieve either baby removed alive or baby aborted...

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    Re: Do animals deserve a right to life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Same doctor, same baby, same pregnant woman,...

    Same Constitution.

    Same words.

    Same definitions.

    They are what they are,... and It (abortion) is what it is.

    I encourage everyone to educate themselves on the issue.

    "The proof is out there,... but denial and lies are in your head" --Chuz Life
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