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Thread: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    The relevant text of the Constitution (to this question) is this;

    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Amendment XIV

    Section 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Does the Constitution apply to and protect the "biological" aspect of a human individual (person) or the metaphysical aspect (souls, personality, etc.)?

    If you are one who believes in the separation of church and state, answer carefully.
    It protects a legal person.

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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Key word in that entire post is : BORN.
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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    That is how the writers of the amendment define what a "citizen" is.

    Not what a "person" is.

    Read what the amendment says.... You do not have to be a "citizen" (person born or naturalized) to have a right to your life, liberty, due process and equal protection of the laws under the 14th Amendment.

    Amendment XIV

    Section 1.

    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Is it still going over your heads?


    By my example it defines what a person is. Since it is all one paragraph it is obviously using the same defination of "born". The constitution does not consider a fetus to be a person. I've already shown why. Otherwise a baby concieved in Mexico would not be considered a US citizen even if born in the US. It would be considered a Mexican citizen.

    It would be idiotic of those that put that into the Constitution to use two different definations of one word in one paragraph.

    Sorry but you can't use one defination for one thing and then use a different defination when it suits your purposes. Everything about that amendment you quoted is specifically geared towards babies (and on up) that are not in their mothers womb.
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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    The constitution protects the legal and/or societal 'person'.
    If you build a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day.

    If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't know that any pro-lifer has ever claimed that.

    Life begins at conception, but life does not begin at birth.
    I think what he is objecting to is my pointing out the definitions of the word "born" and showing how "conception" is more the event where a new person "comes into existence" than "birth" is.

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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    I think what he is objecting to is my pointing out the definitions of the word "born" and showing how "conception" is more the event where a new person "comes into existence" than "birth" is.
    What makes a person a person?
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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    I think what he is objecting to is my pointing out the definitions of the word "born" and showing how "conception" is more the event where a new person "comes into existence" than "birth" is.
    You didn't point out anything. You made up a definition for the event known as a birth to fit your agenda. Do you not understand this yet?
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    joke Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You didn't point out anything. You made up a definition for the event known as a birth to fit your agenda. Do you not understand this yet?
    I don't need to make anything up.

    BORN

      1. Brought into life by birth.
      2. Brought into existence; created: A new nation was born with the revolution.- American heritage Dictionary

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    fyi Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What makes a person a person?
    This is a fair question. I will answer it in greater detail later (time permitting)

    The short answer is; A "person" is at the very least a living "human being." A human individual. A human "organism." All different ways of saying the same thing.

    And even a human zygote qualifies for that narrow and basic standard/ definition.

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    Exclamation Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    It (the Constitution) protects a legal person.
    I agree.

    That is one of the reasons for why Roe. v. Wade is Un-Constitutional law.

    PERSON. - FindLaw.com - Legal Dictionary

    natural person : a human being as distinguished from a person (as a corporation) created by operation of law

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