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Thread: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    A person is "born" at the moment of their conception.

    That's when they are actually "created" or "brought into existence."
    That is scientifically incorrect. "Person" is not a scientific term (homosapien is the correct one), and biological life begins before conception (sperm is alive).

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    "Birth" delivering a baby from the mother's womb,...is just a change of address for the child who already has been living for about 9 months.
    No it isn't. It has been scientifically proven that a fetus/embryo is not a child. Calling a fetus/embryo a child is just a change of address from the scientifically accurate definition (just as PETA calls killing animals "murder").

    Just repeating to yourself "it's a person! It's a person!" like a mantra, does not change science (nor does it when a PETArd chants "Meat is murder".) You have no more credibility than they do since you willingly choose to distort science in order to push your religious agenda.

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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    That is scientifically incorrect. "Person" is not a scientific term (homosapien is the correct one), and biological life begins before conception (sperm is alive).


    No it isn't. It has been scientifically proven that a fetus/embryo is not a child. Calling a fetus/embryo a child is just a change of address from the scientifically accurate definition (just as PETA calls killing animals "murder").

    Just repeating to yourself "it's a person! It's a person!" like a mantra, does not change science (nor does it when a PETArd chants "Meat is murder".) You have no more credibility than they do since you willingly choose to distort science in order to push your religious agenda.
    Does sperm really qualify as alive? I thought that sperm and eggs didn't qualify because they are not an organism in their own right and cannot reproduce themselves, they are a product of another organ.

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    shocked2 Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    You seem to be missing 9 months of the process.

    "Conceived" and "Born" are two similar terms, but not the same when referencing baby making as you are here.
    Pregnancy is not a "process" for making babies,... sex is.

    Pregnancy (gestation) is the time it takes for the new child to grow towards the necessary point required to breech your ability to deny them their personhood.

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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Pregnancy is not a "process" for making babies,... sex is.

    Pregnancy (gestation) is the time it takes for the new child to grow towards the necessary point required to breech your ability to deny them their personhood.
    Sex does not a baby make. Sex makes a fertilized egg. Which then undergoes a process, with noticeable stages, before it becomes a fully functioning, or shall I say independently functioning, human being.

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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Pregnancy is not a "process" for making babies,... sex is.
    That is scientifically incorrect. Pregnancy is a biological process for making babies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Pregnancy (gestation) is the time it takes for the new child to grow towards the necessary point required to breech your ability to deny them their personhood.
    That is scientifically incorrect, as fetuses/embros are not homosapiens by scientific definition.

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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Does sperm really qualify as alive? I thought that sperm and eggs didn't qualify because they are not an organism in their own right and cannot reproduce themselves, they are a product of another organ.
    Hmm well then maybe PETA has a point. Why don't animals deserve a right to life as they meet all the criteria of life that embryos/fetuses do (usually more so). But we murder them daily just so McDonald's can stay in business. What's the difference?

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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    A person is "born" at the moment of their conception.
    Stop making up ****. Thanks.
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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    Hmm well then maybe PETA has a point. Why don't animals deserve a right to life as they meet all the criteria of life that embryos/fetuses do (usually more so). But we murder them daily just so McDonald's can stay in business. What's the difference?
    I mean, I remember in High School that my biology teacher would talk about the "requirements for life" list of criteria. I posted something about it in that sperm thread in the hole...I'm trying to find a more detailed list, but it had essentially, it stated that if an being could do these specific tasks on its own then it was qualified as alive (And by that same list, Viruses are proven to be inanimate)

    I'll find it somewhere, if I can find my old biology book maybe...

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    Exclamation Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Sex does not a baby make. Sex makes a fertilized egg. Which then undergoes a process, with noticeable stages, before it becomes a fully functioning, or shall I say independently functioning, human being.
    The process of making a child is "sexual intercourse."

    After that (if it is successfull in creating the new child,..) the only "process" taking place is the "child's" process of growing, developing and maturing.

    The process of creation, the "bringing into existence",...

    The BIRTH (in that respect)..... was completed after a sucessful conception.

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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    "born or naturalized"

    So I guess the unborn counteth not. I just solved the abortion debate!!
    You would think so, but birth is only a requirement to be a "citizen".

    Birth is not a requirement to be a "person".

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