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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post


    First question;

    "Is you comment above just an opinion?"

    Obviously it is my interpetation of the Constitution, and obviously the Supreme Court agrees with that position. The Court values the mothers privacy rights over any potential human life inside the host.


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    Question Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    To my poll question, "What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?" Oxymoron,... you responded
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    Biological person obviously, and no the fetus inside the tummy is not a person.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    First question;

    "Is your comment above just an opinion?"
    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Obviously it is my interpetation of the Constitution, and obviously the Supreme Court agrees with that position. The Court values the mothers privacy rights over any potential human life inside the host.
    I see.

    Next question; If you were to be convienced that a "fetus inside the tummy" is a person,... would your interpretation of the Constitution change in regards to how it applies to abortion and or the Supreme Courts take?
    Last edited by Chuz Life; 12-24-09 at 10:34 AM.

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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    I see.

    Next question; If you were to be convienced that a "fetus inside the tummy" is a person,... would your interpretation of the Constitution change in regards to how it applies to abortion and or the Supreme Courts take?
    Convinced.

    Sorry.

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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    If you were to be convienced that a "fetus inside the tummy" is a person,... would your interpretation of the Constitution change in regards to how it applies to abortion and or the Supreme Courts take?

    Even If I am convinced that the fetus is in fact a person, that still creats the debate on whether the goverment has a right to force a delivery. I mean if the goverment can force a women to give birth, that implies that the goverment has control over a persons body, and eliminates any privacy protection. which puts me in a bind, if i consider the fetus a person for arguments sake (Which at this point i am not inclined to agree with) Then an abortion would be a crime, a crime which if the goverment prosecuted would infringe on a Americans integral privacy rights.....


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    Question Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Even If I am convinced that the fetus is in fact a person, that still creates the debate on whether the goverment has a right to force a delivery. I mean if the goverment can force a women to give birth, that implies that the goverment has control over a persons body, and eliminates any privacy protection. which puts me in a bind, if i consider the fetus a person for arguments sake (Which at this point i am not inclined to agree with) Then an abortion would be a crime, a crime which if the goverment prosecuted would infringe on a Americans integral privacy rights.....


    So, if I am reading you correctly,... "one person have the right to kill another,.. so long as it is done in "privacy?"

    Can you please what you just wrote and tell me how that (my interpretation) is different from what you just said?

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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    So, if I am reading you correctly,... "one person have the right to kill another,.. so long as it is done in "privacy?"

    Can you please what you just wrote and tell me how that (my interpretation) is different from what you just said?
    Well its such a misrepresentation , that I would advise you to reread what I wrote.

    The term privacy has more behind it then the simple definition you imply. Privacy rights, is actually your individual rights that the goverment cannot and should not breach. Privacy rights are the bedrock of the constitution. Its not simply killing someone in private, what privacy implies is an invisible wall between individual rights and goverment infringement of them. Best example is the 5th amendment.

    If the fetus is a person and identified so by law, then an abortion could be a crime. there is where it gets tricky, if the fetus delivery risks the mothers life she would be legally able to get an abortion, and the goverment could not force a memogram, nor force the medical office to disclose your private history. So in essence a women could terminate a pregnancy out of fear for her life/health, and the goverment wouldnt be able to prove otherwise. The doctor could choose not to go ahead with it, but thats a different debate.


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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Back on topic here---being Nakid in ones own home is just fine. Closing the blinds would be in good taste, but not mandatory. Frying bacon while nakid is a no-no, as one soon finds out.
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    mad Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    Back on topic here---being Nakid in ones own home is just fine. Closing the blinds would be in good taste, but not mandatory. Frying bacon while nakid is a no-no, as one soon finds out.
    The topic of this thread is "What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?"

    What ratio of Rum to Egg Nog are you having tonight?

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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    The topic of this thread is "What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?"

    What ratio of Rum to Egg Nog are you having tonight?
    Oops, my bad folks---I left for a minute, and forgot where I was---never mind.
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    Re: What aspect of a person does the Constitution protect?

    To explore..

    The constitution plainly states:

    "All persons born or naturalized in the united states are...citizens..."

    This means that Persons + Born(or naturalized) = Citizens.
    So, according to this, there is a seperation between "born" and "persons", and when there is both, you achieve citizenship.

    This doesn't that we should deny "life liberty, and the persuit of happyness" because someone isnt a citizens, rather, we should deny it or not deny it based on our values.

    and my values, say no, we shouldn't.

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