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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Phat,... do you know about Dolly the cloned sheep?

    Using your logic (above) none of us are individuals. As,... we could all (potentially) become more than one of ourselves.

    Regardless,... I'm glad you oppose elective abortions.

    How you get there is okay by me.
    Potentially, after a ton of manipulation. Dolly required gathering cells from the utter, manipulating them due to epigenetic modifications and methylation to induce pluripotency, and then these cells were fused with eggs. That's nothing like a zygote, which requires none of that.

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    Question Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Potentially, after a ton of manipulation. Dolly required gathering cells from the utter, manipulating them due to epigenetic modifications and methylation to induce pluripotency, and then these cells were fused with eggs. That's nothing like a zygote, which requires none of that.
    Potentially means potentially.... doesn't it?

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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Potentially means potentially.... doesn't it?


    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Potentially, after a ton of manipulation....That's nothing like a zygote, which requires none of that.

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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Potentially means potentially.... doesn't it?
    Maybe if you don't understand the science behind what it requires for a differentiated adult cell to become pluripotent again.

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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    He has already demonstrated that he believes that an undifferentiated zygote is an individual.
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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    He has already demonstrated that he believes that an undifferentiated zygote is an individual.
    Who is he?

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    Thumbs up Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Maybe if you don't understand the science behind what it requires for a differentiated adult cell to become pluripotent again.
    Sure I do.

    It's a very tedious and difficult process that has only been accomplished in human's ONCE (that I know of).




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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Who is he?
    Sorry, I wasn't clear. Chuz, in comparing an undifferentiate zygote with an adult, has demonstrated his lack of scientific understanding.
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    Exclamation Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Sorry, I wasn't clear. Chuz, in comparing an undifferentiate zygote with an adult, has demonstrated his lack of scientific understanding.
    A human zygote is a child (human being/ person) in the most narrow and basic sense. An adult human is likewise a "person."

    Both are persons,..

    A Ford Pinto and a Ferarri are both cars (automobiles). I don't have to equate the two to recognize the fact that they are both automobiles.

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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    A human zygote is a child (human being/ person) in the most narrow and basic sense. An adult human is likewise a "person."

    Both are persons,..

    A Ford Pinto and a Ferarri are both cars (automobiles). I don't have to equate the two to recognize the fact that they are both automobiles.
    No, it's not. Sometimes a zygote just can't develop a person because of mutated proteins. Sometimes you get twins from zygotes. Although rare, these events do happen. You get an individual at gastrulation. Does that mean it is okay to kill before that point? Frankly, I don't believe so.

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