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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    I share Anarcho's claim (above) and I disagree completely with you (Cephus) on when a person's rights begin.

    You seem to agree that their body begins at conception.

    That body (however small and un-developed) is alive on some level.

    Agree so far?

    If you agree that it is alive,... who's life is it living if not it's own?
    Whose life is a brain dead person living? Without consciousness, without sentience, life is meaningless, valueless.
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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    I share Anarcho's claim (above) and I disagree completely with you (Cephus) on when a person's rights begin.

    You seem to agree that their body begins at conception.

    That body (however small and un-developed) is alive on some level.

    Agree so far?

    If you agree that it is alive,... who's life is it living if not it's own?
    Being alive is not the same as having rights. Individual cells are absolutely genetically human and absolutely alive, yet they have no rights because society has not granted them any. Rights come exclusively from society and whether you like it or not, a fetus does not have the rights that a born human child does. You might not like that, you're certainly welcome to try to change it by convincing the majority of Americans to vote for legal change and Constitutional amendments, but until you actually do change it, it's just your opinion and not worth much more.
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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Man-Made, abstract concepts do not exist in nature. amirite?

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    Arrow Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Whose life is a brain dead person living? Without consciousness, without sentience, life is meaningless, valueless.
    Take it from someone who's been there.

    Their own.

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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Whose life is a brain dead person living? Without consciousness, without sentience, life is meaningless, valueless.
    Take it from someone who's been there.
    An argument to authority? You are willfully resorting to logical fallacies. You have nothing Chuz. You don't have a coherent position. You simply have preconceived notions and are willing to say anything to move your beliefs along.

    Furthermore, you are saying you've been brain-dead? Last time I checked no one has ever regained consciousness after the major parts of the brain have been destroyed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Their own.
    What is the will of a brain dead person? My "life" is the totality of my dreams, aspirations, desires, and needs. Are you claiming a brain-dead person has these?
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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    I used to think life began during the final stages of the birthing process. I've changed my views to thinking life begins at fertilization and implantation.

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    Thumbs up Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    I used to think life began during the final stages of the birthing process. I've changed my views to thinking life begins at fertilization and implantation.
    Thank you Wind,... for joining in and saying so.

    Like you, I used to be "pro-choice" on abortion.

    My position was the (now all too familiar) "I don't personally like abortion,... but who am I to tell others,... blah blah blah"

    Sound familiar?

    If it's not too much to ask,... could you share some of the circumstances that changed your mind?

    (please God, don't let it be for religious reasons)

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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Thank you Wind,... for joining in and saying so.

    Like you, I used to be "pro-choice" on abortion.

    My position was the (now all too familiar) "I don't personally like abortion,... but who am I to tell others,... blah blah blah"

    Sound familiar?

    If it's not too much to ask,... could you share some of the circumstances that changed your mind?

    (please God, don't let it be for religious reasons)
    I used to believe in the concept of a 'soul' entering the body or fetus at some stage in development of the fetus. Now I think more in terms of consciousness entering at the time of fertilization and implantation.

    So the 'morning after pill' IMO is not an abortion because it prevents the fertilized egg from implanting. At the point of cell division and implantation life begins.

    JMO.

    I have 'spiritual reasons' as well. I think it's still a terrible position to be in to have an unwanted pregnancy. But these days, culturally, we can live with unmarried women raising their children alone. That was not the case pre-Roe v Wade. I remember women who took their own lives, who died in back alley or coat hanger procedures, who died of infections. I remember a time when some women were not permitted to have any kind of contraception or choice of being sexual.

    I consider myself in favor of a woman's right to choose. I have more reservations about what circumstances constitute the levity to make that decision than I used to.

    Generally, I think it's best for the woman to carry the pregnancy to term and to put her child up for adoption if she is unable or unwilling to raise the child.

    What about in cases of rape or incest or medical danger to a woman's health?

    Don't you think there are some circumstances that should be weighed in the decision?

    I once worked in family planning. I could not, at this time.in good conscience counsel a woman to have an abortion unless she had been raped or sexually molested by a relative or at risk of dying. If the woman was suicidal, I would take that into consideration. I still think it's best for the woman to carry the pregnancy to term, but if she is at risk of taking her own life, that would give me pause.

    If a woman dies from child birth, suicide, infection or an unsafe procedure two deaths have occurred. I'd prefer no deaths at all on my watch, and when it is absolutely necessary, I would rather only one death than two.
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    Exclamation Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    I used to believe in the concept of a 'soul' entering the body or fetus at some stage in development of the fetus. Now I think more in terms of consciousness entering at the time of fertilization and implantation.

    So the 'morning after pill' IMO is not an abortion because it prevents the fertilized egg from implanting. At the point of cell division and implantation life begins.

    JMO.

    I have 'spiritual reasons' as well. I think it's still a terrible position to be in to have an unwanted pregnancy. But these days, culturally, we can live with unmarried women raising their children alone. That was not the case pre-Roe v Wade. I remember women who took their own lives, who died in back alley or coat hanger procedures, who died of infections. I remember a time when some women were not permitted to have any kind of contraception or choice of being sexual.

    I consider myself in favor of a woman's right to choose. I have more reservations about what circumstances constitute the levity to make that decision than I used to.

    Generally, I think it's best for the woman to carry the pregnancy to term and to put her child up for adoption if she is unable or unwilling to raise the child.

    What about in cases of rape or incest or medical danger to a woman's health?

    Don't you think there are some circumstances that should be weighed in the decision?

    I once worked in family planning. I could not, at this time.in good conscience counsel a woman to have an abortion unless she had been raped or sexually molested by a relative or at risk of dying. If the woman was suicidal, I would take that into consideration. I still think it's best for the woman to carry the pregnancy to term, but if she is at risk of taking her own life, that would give me pause.

    If a woman dies from child birth, suicide, infection or an unsafe procedure two deaths have occurred. I'd prefer no deaths at all on my watch, and when it is absolutely necessary, I would rather only one death than two.
    Thanks for sharing, Wind.

    You leave a lot of things wide open for questions.... but i don't have the time right now. Good on ya!

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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That doesn't mean their rights do.

    Fail.
    I never said their rights do.

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