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Thread: Does life biologically begin at conception?

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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    We are not born with [rights]. The mere fact that we MUST GRANT them only reiterates the fact that they are NOT INHERENT. If they were inherent, we wouldn't need to grant them and enumerate them in a document... We would all just be born with them and know what they are automatically.
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    whether you believe in a creator or not the above holds true. Both theists and non-theists recognize this. The only difference might be is that some theists claim to know how God wants us to live. But that doesn't make it binding. It only means that God wants us to live and act a certain way. Not that such actions or ways of life are inherent.
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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Are You saying our rights as recognized in the Declaraction of Independence is somehow contrary to those expressed in the Constitution?

    If so,... how so?
    The DoI isn't our law, it's a declaration...of Independence. It's nice for some light supplemental reading, but it doesn't have all the necessary clauses and accouterments that are required to properly asses and execute the law. If you want to show what it's supplementing within the Constitution then by all means, enlighten me.

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    Question Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Rights are just a philosophical construct.

    I see,... so what right does my child or my wife or my neighbors , or YOU have,... to keep on living if it would be a convienience to me to keep you from doing so?

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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Yes! What other answer could there be?

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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    I see,... so what right does my child or my wife or my neighbors , or YOU have,..
    Rivrat has already answered this.

    They come from nowhere but myself. I determine my rights by deciding what I want and defending what I want. As long as I can defend it, what I want is my right.

    Unless of course my rights are granted to me by the country in which I reside. And then I get what THEY want to give me despite what I may want or what I feel is my 'right'. I can, of course, work to change their point of view as well. (hence the constant changes to the rights we have or don't have)
    to keep on living if it would be a convienience to me to keep you from doing so?
    Depending on the society you live in you may or may not be punished. In this society we punish most murderers.

    God doesn't come down and punish people. People don't keel over and die after violating someones rights either.
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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I have no idea what you mean by "agree with". Negative individual liberties aren't something you can "agree with".
    They are a philosophical concept, so, yes, you either agree with them or you don't, i.e., you believe negative individual liberties are the moral basis for society or you don't.

    Pray tell, what is this moral sentiment you speak of?
    That negative individual liberties should be the moral basis for society.

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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Since Mother Nature aborts babies all the time and let's baby animals get eaten by bigger animals...I'm just going to assume there is no natural "moral affirmations" at least nothing to be compared with human morals.
    How is this relevant?

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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    I see,... so what right does my child or my wife or my neighbors , or YOU have,... to keep on living if it would be a convienience to me to keep you from doing so?
    The right to life, which is a philosophical construct that you either agree with or you don't.

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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Contrary to what the Supreme Court may have said, this debate has never been about when life begins, but about when it is worth protecting and at what cost to a mother's liberty. The sentiment to that question has always changed and always will.

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    Re: Does life biologically begin at conception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The right to life, which is a philosophical construct that you either agree with or you don't.

    Your opinion is noted.

    Thanks

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