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Does life biologically begin at conception?

Does a new person's life "biologically" begin at conception?


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Oh - don't be so dramatic. Are you going to offer to adopt countless unwanted babies or something?

So you're saying kids should be murdered if they can't be adopted.

Or are you going to lash out at those who don't wnat kids, demand they have them, only to hold a strong 'but i don't want kids, either' stance?

When you rephrase this question so it makes sense, maybe I'll answer it.

Can't be judging others unless you're heart and home is open to the precious cells.

Sure I can.

Just did.

You could try using logic someday. Works wonders for your complex.

I purposefully miscarried a few developing cells when I was 18 - and I don't consider that murder or wrong in any way, shape or form.

One can't purposely have a miscarriage.

You mean you murdered a baby and want to avoid an accurate description of your actions, because you want to pretend people who kill babies are bad, and it's good thing you're not one of them.

Keep telling yourself that, if lies make you feel better.

Should I bid a fond teary farewell everytime I bleed?

Why, are you permanently knocked up? Then again, that disgusting gooey ooze is a sign that you're not killing a person that month.

Just in case you don't understand basic biology, an ovum is not a biologically viable human being.

Fertilized ova, aka future babies, are.

Hardly not - developing cells are not a 'baby' - and I won't get my panties in a twist over them in the least.

There's so much I could do with a straight line like that, all of which would get some moderator or other on my case.
 
Oh - there you go, having a net hissy fit because I'm not bending to your way of thinking.
 
LOL - our own government commits murder in a variety of ways. . . so can I.

As long as there are pregnancies there will be abortions - either done in a controled environment or done at home or in a hotel. . . crude or otherwise. You can end a pregnancy in a variety of ways, really.

Indeed. Pennyroyal tea and hemlock have worked for centuries. ;)
 
I think women who wish to use abortion as convenient birth control should have to resort to a coat hanger.
 
I think women who wish to use abortion as convenient birth control should have to resort to a coat hanger.

WTF? So you think women shouldn't use birth control? Birth control can and does cause abortions. The BC pill and IUDs can and do cause fertilized eggs to be expelled from the body. They are one and the same. The only difference is the location in the body. Most BC pills, IUDs and abortions sometimes do the exact same thing. So I'm quite confused by people who want to prevent women from using birth control. It makes absolutely no ****ing sense to me.
 
Rivrrat. You can't expect certain people with such strong opinions to actually understand what they're against - obviously they haven't researched what all these different things are.
 
Rivrrat. You can't expect certain people with such strong opinions to actually understand what they're against - obviously they haven't researched what all these different things are.

It absolutely baffles me how many people will sit here and preach about human life being sacred from the moment of conception and then go on to state how women should use birth control to prevent getting pregnant in the first damn place.

If all of these supposed "pro-life" people really did their research and were consistent in their opinions, they would be fighting adamantly against most birth control pills and IUDs (which arguably probably kill more "children" than elective abortions could ever hope to). But no... they argue FOR the use of those things. They argue that women should be using things that cause the situations they purport to be so adamantly against. They WANT women to use pills and devices to 'murder children'. They just want to refuse them a third device to do the same thing.

Makes no goddamn sense, and it is, at times, infuriating.
 
Some are smart about it, though - such as my sister. She's adamately pro-life and at least isn't a hypocrite, she's very careful about her BC methods, she's done all of her research and is very careful to avoid those that cross her line.
 
WTF? So you think women shouldn't use birth control? Birth control can and does cause abortions. The BC pill and IUDs can and do cause fertilized eggs to be expelled from the body. They are one and the same. The only difference is the location in the body. Most BC pills, IUDs and abortions sometimes do the exact same thing. So I'm quite confused by people who want to prevent women from using birth control. It makes absolutely no ****ing sense to me.
Yeah, that's what I said. :roll:
 
Does a new person's life "biologically" begin at conception?
For those who voted 'NO', I'd like to know when you think a person's life biologically begins?
 
For those who voted 'NO', I'd like to know when you think a person's life biologically begins?

We have a thread on this question already, it has 1258 replies so far. But the answer depends on your definition. Life itself biologically began a long time ago. New DNA begins at the first mitosis after fertilization. Individuality, the inability to make a twin, begins at gastrulation. Brain activity seems to begin after 7-9 weeks gestation, but sentience and consciousness might take until 36 weeks or more. Legal protection begins at viability. Citizenship and separation begin at birth.
 
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We have a thread on this question already, it has 1258 replies so far. But the answer depends on your definition. Life itself biologically began a long time ago. New DNA begins at the first mitosis after fertilization. Individuality, the inability to make a twin, begins at gastrulation. Brain activity seems to begin after 7-9 weeks gestation, but sentience and consciousness might take until 36 weeks or more. Legal protection begins at viability. Citizenship and separation begin at birth.

What?

What definition of the word "begin" are you using?
 
What?

What definition of the word "begin" are you using?

The normal one, to start or originate. I don't like to play dictionary games the way you do. Which part do you disagree with?
 
The normal one, to start or originate. I don't like to play dictionary games the way you do. Which part do you disagree with?

The beginning.

Basically,... I have a problem with about the beginning to the end of what you said.
 
The beginning.

Basically,... I have a problem with about the beginning to the end of what you said.

Did you not understand or do you want references? :confused:
 
I understand what you are claiming,... completely.

That's how (and why) I know I disagree with it.

You disagree that an embryo doesn't have brain activity until 7 weeks gestation? Or that gastrulation stops the possibility of twinning? Or that the new DNA is created by the first mitosis?

In truth, you don't disagree with anything I said. You just disagree with the reasons that I said it, and you aren't willing to admit it. What you don't understand is that I'm not using science just to back up my intention to kill fetuses. I came upon an abortion thread knowing very little about the process. I went to wikipedia and some other sites and did some research, and that is how I came upon these facts. I have no agenda.
 
1) You disagree that an embryo doesn't have brain activity until 7 weeks gestation? 2) Or that gastrulation stops the possibility of twinning? 3) Or that the new DNA is created by the first mitosis?

I completely accept the biological facts,...

What I disagree with is your conclusions about those facts.

To American's question;

For those who voted 'NO', I'd like to know when you think a person's life biologically begins?

You responded,..
We have a thread on this question already, it has 1258 replies so far. But the answer depends on your definition. Life itself biologically began a long time ago. New DNA begins at the first mitosis after fertilization. Individuality, the inability to make a twin, begins at gastrulation. Brain activity seems to begin after 7-9 weeks gestation, but sentience and consciousness might take until 36 weeks or more. Legal protection begins at viability. Citizenship and separation begin at birth.

By your loose definition of "individuality" a young girl looses her own individuality,... when she starts getting her period and gains the ability to produce a child.

(1) In truth, you don't disagree with anything I said. You just disagree with the reasons that I said it, and you aren't willing to admit it. What you don't understand is that I'm not using science just to back up my intention to kill fetuses. (2) I came upon an abortion thread knowing very little about the process. I went to wikipedia and some other sites and did some research, and that is how I came upon these facts. I have no agenda.

You are (1) incorrect in your assumptions as I explained already (above.)

and,...

(2) Wikipedia? Really? Don't get me wrong, I'm gratefull that you are educating yourself. I have used Wikipedia as a reference myself. But, please.... if you really care about an issue,...use multiple sources.

And, if you really want to learn the facts,....lose the bias.
 
It's interesting to look at photos of embryos and fetuses. I took a peek this morning and it appears to me that six weeks is a cut off for recognizable humanity in the developing embryo-fetus.
 
I completely accept the biological facts,...

What I disagree with is your conclusions about those facts.

To American's question;



You responded,..

By your loose definition of "individuality" a young girl looses her own individuality,... when she starts getting her period and gains the ability to produce a child.



You are (1) incorrect in your assumptions as I explained already (above.)

and,...

(2) Wikipedia? Really? Don't get me wrong, I'm gratefull that you are educating yourself. I have used Wikipedia as a reference myself. But, please.... if you really care about an issue,...use multiple sources.

And, if you really want to learn the facts,....lose the bias.

I got no facts wrong. You admit this yourself. I have no bias or assumptions, I was simply answering the question. I can't help it if you don't like the biology of the answer.

PS unless a girl at puberty can clone herself you're not getting my point.
 
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