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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Just a point to the person that said something about schools "micro-managing" events, etc...

    As a parent and a school employee, I have to say that unless a student is over the age of 18, then the parents MUST be notified when there is a school event that requires the student be transported off school grounds. If a school employee is chaperoning a student event, then I would (as a school employee myself) sure as hell make sure all the parents of the students were informed of my plans, if nothing else, to cover my own ass.

    I don't care if these are high school seniors - if these kids were going to a school event and then following said school event, they were being escorted *by a school district employee* to dinner at ANY restaurant (hell, I don't care if it's Chuck E. Cheese!) then those parents of those students attending, should have had to sign a permission form.

    Now if this was an informal - NOT SCHOOL RELATED - outing, then NO.. micro-management would not be needed. But let's be real here. If either of my own teenagers went to a school led event such as this and I hadn't signed a persmission form for them to go out and eat with their classmates AND teacher after that event - and one of them wound up getting injured or something else happened that was detrimental to their safety or well being - then who do you think should or would be held responsible.

    Nothing did happen, but it could have. And that is the point - at least in my mind. I could care less if they ate at McDonalds, Taco Bell or Hooters.

    Bottom line - these kids are minors and their parents are their guardians until they reach the age of 18, where at that time, the child is responsible for their own safety and decision making. They are at that time, considered adult.

    It is not about people being anally knotted about their kids going to Hooters, it's about being informed and being involved in the process that I believe SHOULD be at the center of discussion here. Not the fact that it happened to be Hooters.
    Maybe you are a day late....but the issue isn't consent to take the trip. Consent was given to take the field trip. The micro-managing comes in requiring consent to whatever restaurant the students eat at during the approved trip.
    Its like I said....I went on many debate trips in high school. Those trips were approved by parental consent. However, it silly to think that the school was required to scope out every restaurant within a one mile area and have my parents check off which places I was allowed to have my lunch while away on the trip.
    As long as I was not being taken to restaraunts that did not allow underage kids....then the school has done their duty.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    I'm one of those conservative-Christian traditional-family-values types that many of you so love to hate.

    High school boys? 16-18yo? No, I wouldn't freak. I might frown slightly. I might even say, to the teacher, "I wish you had asked me if that was okay first." That's all. I wouldn't have tried to get anyone suspended over it.

    I've been to Hooters, once. The food is okay, the service is mediocre, the prices are a little high for what you get, and yeah the girls are cute and the outfits are tight enough to interfere with blood circulation. The theme is embarassingly obvious and IMO kind of tasteless for a "family" restaurant, but I don't lose any sleep over it.

    I can get better food elsewhere for less money with better service, and not feel uncomfortable that a girl young enough to be my daughter is bending over to give me a good look at her cleveage in hopes of a big tip. (shrug)

    But, like I said, I wouldn't freak out over it.

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm one of those conservative-Christian traditional-family-values types that many of you so love to hate.

    High school boys? 16-18yo? No, I wouldn't freak. I might frown slightly. I might even say, to the teacher, "I wish you had asked me if that was okay first." That's all. I wouldn't have tried to get anyone suspended over it.

    I've been to Hooters, once. The food is okay, the service is mediocre, the prices are a little high for what you get, and yeah the girls are cute and the outfits are tight enough to interfere with blood circulation. The theme is embarassingly obvious and IMO kind of tasteless for a "family" restaurant, but I don't lose any sleep over it.

    I can get better food elsewhere for less money with better service, and not feel uncomfortable that a girl young enough to be my daughter is bending over to give me a good look at her cleveage in hopes of a big tip. (shrug)

    But, like I said, I wouldn't freak out over it.

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    Sounds reasonable.

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You want me to explain why my idea is so "wrong"? Huh?

    ...And I was not straying from anything, rather I was making a logical analogy as to why I am correct. Define what you mean by "public", because I can go into a topless strip joint that serves food and is open to the "public" as well, by your standards, I can take a kid or some horny little teenage boy into a topless bar since it serves food and is open to the public.
    so now you want to equate a topless facility with hooters
    your weird, off-the-mark analogies, have no credibility
    hooters is a public restaurant, open to all ages ... not so the topless facility you would want us to - unreasonably - compare it to
    come back when you have something to offer which reasonable people would find convincing

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm one of those conservative-Christian traditional-family-values types that many of you so love to hate.

    High school boys? 16-18yo? No, I wouldn't freak. I might frown slightly. I might even say, to the teacher, "I wish you had asked me if that was okay first." That's all. I wouldn't have tried to get anyone suspended over it.

    I've been to Hooters, once. The food is okay, the service is mediocre, the prices are a little high for what you get, and yeah the girls are cute and the outfits are tight enough to interfere with blood circulation. The theme is embarassingly obvious and IMO kind of tasteless for a "family" restaurant, but I don't lose any sleep over it.

    I can get better food elsewhere for less money with better service, and not feel uncomfortable that a girl young enough to be my daughter is bending over to give me a good look at her cleveage in hopes of a big tip. (shrug)

    But, like I said, I wouldn't freak out over it.

    G.
    I'm one of those subjective morality atheists who thinks our country is way too puritanical types that so many people like to blame for the degradation of family values in this country and I have an almost identical view of Hooters in general.

    It's odd because the sexuality itself is not what I find distasteful.

    It is the way places like Hooters place a primacy on superficial things (looks and such) while substantial things (such as service and food quality) are given a secondary consideration.

    It's a restaurant. It should be selling food and service, not boob and cervix. (Obviously, comic liberty was taken here. Semi-witty one-liners do not need to be factually accurate.)

    I know I would not want a daughter of mine to work at any place that taught her that superficial things like looks were more important than substantial things like quality of character and practical skills. A place where being pretty was more important than being intelligent or being good at the job.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    I pretty much imagine all my waitresses naked, so the outfit is really not an issue. But it is why I stopped going to truck stop diners when I was 16.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I know I would not want a daughter of mine to work at any place that taught her that superficial things like looks were more important than substantial things like quality of character and practical skills. A place where being pretty was more important than being intelligent or being good at the job.
    Then you apparently don't want her to work at all. If you believe that anywhere in the corporate world that people don't get jobs and/or promotions based on looks then you are fooling yourself. Sure, there are a lot of people that get performance based promotions, however, in America and a lot of the rest of the world, looks and being "pretty" always give people a step up.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Then you apparently don't want her to work at all. If you believe that anywhere in the corporate world that people don't get jobs and/or promotions based on looks then you are fooling yourself. Sure, there are a lot of people that get performance based promotions, however, in America and a lot of the rest of the world, looks and being "pretty" always give people a step up.
    So your theory is that corporations place more importance on looks than intelligence or skills?

    Name one.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So your theory is that corporations place more importance on looks than intelligence or skills?

    Name one.
    I didn't say that. What I said was that anywhere you go in the working world there is always going to be an element of people getting hired or promoted based on looks. Do corporations put MORE importance on it....probably not in most cases. However, getting your foot in the door is often the most important aspect and face it....an "ugly" person or a "fat" person often loses that first chance to make a good first impression no matter what their resume says about their intelligence and skills.
    Sad to say...but that's the reality of American (and probably many other) culture.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Do corporations put MORE importance on it....probably not in most cases.
    How on earth could you possibly say

    Then you apparently don't want her to work at all.
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    I know I would not want a daughter of mine to work at any place that taught her that superficial things like looks were more important than substantial things like quality of character and practical skills. A place where being pretty was more important than being intelligent or being good at the job.
    If you weren't saying:

    corporations place more importance on looks than intelligence or skills


    On top of that, they "don't want her to work at all" implies that there exists no job that doesn't disregard looks entirely. That's asinine, and I know it to be 100% false by the simple fact that I have run a company and I had some hideous mother ****ers working for me.
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