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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You didn't answer my question.
    A coach can take kids to MacDonalds without prior consent. Hooters is not MacDonalds though, so the scenario is irrelevant...
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you are straying from your argument that hooters is not like any other restaurant
    my point is that it is a typical restaurant because it serves food and is open to the public
    you seem to think that it is somehow unique and underserving of being identified as a restaurant
    i want you to explain why your idea is so wrong
    You want me to explain why my idea is so "wrong"? Huh?

    ...And I was not straying from anything, rather I was making a logical analogy as to why I am correct. Define what you mean by "public", because I can go into a topless strip joint that serves food and is open to the "public" as well, by your standards, I can take a kid or some horny little teenage boy into a topless bar since it serves food and is open to the public.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
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    I'm just reading what you are writing, incorrect grammar and all (just playing about Grammar Nazi, but it should be "you") that is all... If you mean something else, then by all means, clarify your position.
    You misunderstood me...

    I was taking a hypothetical stance against the concept of a family unit. I wasn't implying that YOU thought the family unit was a tyrannical social construct, no, that was MY hypothetical objection to it. I was just trying illustrate the absurdity of catering to every crazy ideal out there.

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    A coach can take kids to MacDonalds without prior consent. Hooters is not MacDonalds though, so the scenario is irrelevant...
    But what if an anti-corporatist, ultra-leftist takes offense that their child is patronizing a business that slaughters innocent animals for profit? Should the teacher be suspended because he or she offended that person?

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You misunderstood me...

    I was taking a hypothetical stance against the concept of a family unit. I wasn't implying that YOU thought the family unit was a tyrannical social construct, no, that was MY hypothetical objection to it. I was just trying illustrate the absurdity of catering to every crazy ideal out there.

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    All good man, I thought that seemed a little severe for you... we're Kosher as a Jewish Rabbi chewing his Kosher dog...
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    But what if an anti-corporatist, ultra-leftist takes offense that their child is patronizing a business that slaughters innocent animals for profit? Should the teacher be suspended because he or she offended that person?
    I lived in Sonoma County, great wine and food region with some of the greatest restaurants, John Ash and French Laundry... well, some of those very people would break windows of restaurants and use stink bombs to clear them out during "game week" and such events... these people are psycho.

    I think that we have to be balanced and realistic. Society can't make everybody happy... but I think that Hooters is in a class by itself, it is not a mainstream restaurant, since it is unique and just happened to be tossed into that catagory probably due to corporate pressue so that they would have a bigger client base so that they could maximize profits. I think that they should be in a different catagory that does not allow minors into it without parental consent, that is all... I don't think that this is asking anything that is not reasonable, if you can show how this is not reasonable, then I will listen, otherwise, we simply disagree.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I lived in Sonoma County, great wine and food region with some of the greatest restaurants, John Ash and French Laundry... well, some of those very people would break windows of restaurants and use stink bombs to clear them out during "game week" and such events... these people are psycho.

    I think that we have to be balanced and realistic. Society can't make everybody happy... but I think that Hooters is in a class by itself, it is not a mainstream restaurant, since it is unique and just happened to be tossed into that catagory probably due to corporate pressue so that they would have a bigger client base so that they could maximize profits. I think that they should be in a different catagory that does not allow minors into it without parental consent, that is all... I don't think that this is asking anything that is not reasonable, if you can show how this is not reasonable, then I will listen, otherwise, we simply disagree.
    I would first have to understand your reasoning behind such a requirement (parental consent). What is it about Hooters that minors should have to obtain consent?

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Just a point to the person that said something about schools "micro-managing" events, etc...

    As a parent and a school employee, I have to say that unless a student is over the age of 18, then the parents MUST be notified when there is a school event that requires the student be transported off school grounds. If a school employee is chaperoning a student event, then I would (as a school employee myself) sure as hell make sure all the parents of the students were informed of my plans, if nothing else, to cover my own ass.

    I don't care if these are high school seniors - if these kids were going to a school event and then following said school event, they were being escorted *by a school district employee* to dinner at ANY restaurant (hell, I don't care if it's Chuck E. Cheese!) then those parents of those students attending, should have had to sign a permission form.

    Now if this was an informal - NOT SCHOOL RELATED - outing, then NO.. micro-management would not be needed. But let's be real here. If either of my own teenagers went to a school led event such as this and I hadn't signed a persmission form for them to go out and eat with their classmates AND teacher after that event - and one of them wound up getting injured or something else happened that was detrimental to their safety or well being - then who do you think should or would be held responsible.

    Nothing did happen, but it could have. And that is the point - at least in my mind. I could care less if they ate at McDonalds, Taco Bell or Hooters.

    Bottom line - these kids are minors and their parents are their guardians until they reach the age of 18, where at that time, the child is responsible for their own safety and decision making. They are at that time, considered adult.

    It is not about people being anally knotted about their kids going to Hooters, it's about being informed and being involved in the process that I believe SHOULD be at the center of discussion here. Not the fact that it happened to be Hooters.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    A coach can take kids to MacDonalds without prior consent. Hooters is not MacDonalds though, so the scenario is irrelevant...
    Not according to some. Many here have indicated that they would object to any restaurant without prior approval.
    According to some...we have to accomodate every parents whim and/or sensibilities.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I think that they should be in a different catagory that does not allow minors into it without parental consent, that is all... I don't think that this is asking anything that is not reasonable, if you can show how this is not reasonable, then I will listen, otherwise, we simply disagree.
    Oh...please.....if the society felt that minor should not be allowed in "Hooters"...they would have laws to prevent it.
    Yes.....what you are asking is VERY ureasonable....at least to the vast majority of people who live in our world.
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