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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Was this a week long event? No. So what relevance does it have to the discussion? None.

    Note that I have not had to resort to exaggeration to make my point. Note I have not had to resort to misrepresenting any ones position. Note that I am not the one who is trying to force my values on others. Those are all you, and a sure sign of just how weak your position is.
    Nice dodge. Why not answer the questions?

    I'm not trying to box you in, I actually have a sincere interest in figuring out where you stand on this issue.
    You call it "exaggerating"...I'm just trying to flesh out the issue. Sure...we can all limit it to the specifics of this particular case, but some of us are interested in debating the bigger issues that this one example raises.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Nice dodge. Why not answer the questions?

    I'm not trying to box you in, I actually have a sincere interest in figuring out where you stand on this issue.
    You call it "exaggerating"...I'm just trying to flesh out the issue. Sure...we can all limit it to the specifics of this particular case, but some of us are interested in debating the bigger issues that this one example raises.
    How is this for a statement of position: permission slips with full itineraries should be used whenever possible. Out of all the trips done off campus by public schools, this would mean the far and away vast majority of them would be covered by that. When not possible, those in charge of the trip will have their names listed on the permission slip so parents can decide if they think those people have good judgment. On school trips, any place that might be controversial should be avoided without explicitly being listed on the permission slip.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How is this for a statement of position: permission slips with full itineraries should be used whenever possible. Out of all the trips done off campus by public schools, this would mean the far and away vast majority of them would be covered by that. When not possible, those in charge of the trip will have their names listed on the permission slip so parents can decide if they think those people have good judgment. On school trips, any place that might be controversial should be avoided without explicitly being listed on the permission slip.

    What about the specific questions addressed?

    What if kids go to a weekend debate tournament. At the lunch break, there are a number of restaurants down the street. Do you require the school to pre-approve which of these places are OK for the kids to patronize. Should the school be required to get a list of all the restaurants in a 1 mile radius and submit it to the parents to check off which restaurants they approve of?

    What if the teacher hadn't gone, but it was found out that some of the students went to "Hooters" on their lunch break. Should the teacher be suspended or otherwise reprimanded for not properly supervising and/or otherwise preventing the students from going there?
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    pretty much... yes. i always have. most teachers/coaches that I have known do. It is not that big of a deal, it is a legal responsibility, it is polite, it safeguards potential issues like nut allergies, etc. do they need to ask if they can drive in the fast lane... no. Do they need to ask to take students to Hooters? yes.
    Scenario: A coach and his team are at a weekend event, staying in a hotel. The students want to eat and they pick McDonald's; does the coach need to ask permission?

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    A family, kid friendly restaurant is modeled after an authoritarian patriarchal social construct? WTF? Are you serious? Perhaps you can explain this theory then... I am listening.



    With your description of how you apparently think that I view family structure, that's how. That was ridiculous. am I upset, no. Am I thinking WTF is with that? Yes...



    I think that you use to many absolutes... unless you can demonstrate how I am being ultra-sensitive about anything, let alone this issue in particular.
    No, you're missing my point.

    There ARE some people who think the "family unit" is an arbitrary social construct that perpetuates patriarchal authoritarianism. So, should coaches stop taking their kids to family restaurants in order to remain sensitive to uber-feminist, fringe leftists? If not, then why should we remain sensitive to uber-religious, fringe rightists?

    Hooters IS a mainstream restaurant. It's perfectly legal for ANYONE to patronize. The fact that the waitresses dress "sexy" is totally irrelevant since female sexuality is a societal norm. If you don't like the mainstream then you should endeavor to change it, but pretending like you can shield your child from it is just unrealistic.

    If teachers can bring their kids to a family restaurant without worrying about offending some fringe leftist (except in California...), then teachers should be able to bring their kids to contemporary, mainstream restaurants without worrying about offending some fringe rightist who lives in the 1800's.

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?



    Well with the reputation hooters has its not surprising and was not smart.

    Also after looking at what hooters waitresses look like I don't see the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    No, you're missing my point.

    There ARE some people who think the "family unit" is an arbitrary social construct that perpetuates patriarchal authoritarianism. So, should coaches stop taking their kids to family restaurants in order to remain sensitive to uber-feminist, fringe leftists? If not, then why should we remain sensitive to uber-religious, fringe rightists?

    Hooters IS a mainstream restaurant. It's perfectly legal for ANYONE to patronize. The fact that the waitresses dress "sexy" is totally irrelevant since female sexuality is a societal norm. If you don't like the mainstream then you should endeavor to change it, but pretending like you can shield your child from it is just unrealistic.

    If teachers can bring their kids to a family restaurant without worrying about offending some fringe leftist (except in California...), then teachers should be able to bring their kids to contemporary, mainstream restaurants without worrying about offending some fringe rightist who lives in the 1800's.

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    It's the name! If the joint was called "Uncle Bob's" and had sexy waitresses and was racy nobody would have come down on the woman.

    But the name is "Hooters" which implies a naughtiness not fit for kids.

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    It's the name! If the joint was called "Uncle Bob's" and had sexy waitresses and was racy nobody would have come down on the woman.

    But the name is "Hooters" which implies a naughtiness not fit for kids.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    It's the name! If the joint was called "Uncle Bob's" and had sexy waitresses and was racy nobody would have come down on the woman.

    But the name is "Hooters" which implies a naughtiness not fit for kids.
    Well, not so much for myself - There's the Pink Taco and I have no problem going there because it doesn't have the overall vibe that Hooters carries on.
    There's also a place called Damn Good Pie and I've eaten there with my kids, as well - it's the overall nature of the place that puts it in the no-no for me in this case.

    so, sure, some people might only notice it because of the name - just not me.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not at all...the fact that they do is fine. However, you would mandate that a school HAD to do that just in case a parent wants to complain?
    Should schools have teachers send home school plans nightly so as to not offend a parent with hyper-sensitive sensibilities?
    Did I say I thought they should have to do it? Nope.

    I do think the more info. schools send home in reguards to what is going down at school? The more parental involvement the school will see-which is a good thing.

    At this point I am starting to wonder do you own stock in Hooters or something?
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