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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    After this entire thread I have one question to ask....

    Disney, what Applebee's or TGI Friday's do you go to that has ALL female waitresses, in booty shorts, and tight fitting clevage revealing shirts....

    cause you know, Jack Daniels Sauce glaze rocks and if I can get the eye candy + the good food, I'd call that a winner

    Seriously, its not a strip club the the notion that its "no different" as TGI fridays or something is a bit ridiculous as well. Its like saying a PG-13 movie is "No different" than a PG one. Sure, its not rated R, but its not exactly on the same level as those things below it either.

    This was poor judgement on the teachers part, over reaction on a parents part, and extreme over reaction on the part of the school. At most perhaps an official warning to the teacher should've been given. In reality, the teacher should've apologized to the offended parent and simply been told "hey, use some common sense next time"

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    After this entire thread I have one question to ask....

    Disney, what Applebee's or TGI Friday's do you go to that has ALL female waitresses, in booty shorts, and tight fitting clevage revealing shirts....

    cause you know, Jack Daniels Sauce glaze rocks and if I can get the eye candy + the good food, I'd call that a winner

    Seriously, its not a strip club the the notion that its "no different" as TGI fridays or something is a bit ridiculous as well. Its like saying a PG-13 movie is "No different" than a PG one. Sure, its not rated R, but its not exactly on the same level as those things below it either.

    This was poor judgement on the teachers part, over reaction on a parents part, and extreme over reaction on the part of the school. At most perhaps an official warning to the teacher should've been given. In reality, the teacher should've apologized to the offended parent and simply been told "hey, use some common sense next time"
    I don't believe that I said that they are EXACTLY the same thing....but they ARE essentially the same thing.
    At its core, "Hooters" is much more like TGI Fridays than it is "Bare Elegance".
    Anyone who has actually been to a Hooters restaurant will tell you that they are first and foremost a restaurant. The ones that I have been to in LA don't even have much of a bar seating area....say like a TGI Fridays or a Chili's...the bar is more incorporated within the feel of the restaurant, so I guess in that sense, it is slightly different in that a Chili's/TGI Fridays is more of a Bar/Grill Restaurant with a bar, Hooters is like a Bar and Grill Restaurant.
    Yes....the uniforms are different, but its not exactly like the servers are walking around in lingerie (or less)...and they aren't engaging in sexual behavior. The dozen or so times I've been, the servers have been very professional. Friendly, but not flaunting sexuality.
    I remember when the Hooters opened up in Utah...you would have thought that they were opening up a strip club next to an elementary school.
    The fact is, Back East/South where most of the restaurants are located, people understand the myth and recognize Hooters for what they are.....out West here, people have serious misconceptions and perpetuate the myth.
    The Hooters chain doesn't try to dispel the myth because...hey....it is good for business.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I don't believe that I said that they are EXACTLY the same thing....but they ARE essentially the same thing.
    My apologizes. Lets go with what you said

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    It is a restaurant, not reallly different from Chili's or TGI Fridays and I doubt the teacher would have been suspended for that.
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    No. Hooters is a family restaurant....like a chili's or Applebees. The only difference is that the waitresses wear shorts and are generally (but not always) bigger chested than the average female.
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    Sorry Jack....but Hooters is no different that Applebees, Chilis, etc.
    Your words. No different/no different save for shorts

    I've been to a hooters (and I live in the south). Its not my place of choice, but I have nothing inherently wrong with it. However, saying that Hooters is "essentially" the same thing as TGI Fridays or Applebee's is like saying those places are “essentially” the same as a mom and pop restaurant because they both sell burgers and fries.

    Hooters has more in common imho with a standard “sports bar” than most family restaurants honestly. You’re right, they generally don’t have a giant “bar” area, because pitchers of beer are common throughout the restaurant. How often do you see tables with entire PITCHERS of alcohol at their tables at a Fridays or an Applebees? I can’t think of a time I’ve seen it. I can’t think of a time I’ve been in a hooters where I haven’t seen such at multiple tables.

    How many restaurants such as Fridays or Applebee’s sell calendars of scantily clad women specifically pushing them as something enticing to the eyes? Not ever that I can think of, but such is easily for sell at hooters. Do they stylize the entire restaurant and numerous pieces of apparel around a word meant to be a play on words for beasts, such as buttons going “Hooters make me happy”? Do they have such promotion style, specifically focusing on the looks of their waitresses, such as “Hot Chicks, Great Tix” that was going on at some point recently with hooters? More so, do places like Fridays and Applebee’s limit themselves only to female waitresses?

    This is all on top of what I already pointed out in regards to the dress code that their servers wear.

    Is hooters a strip club? No

    Is hooters essentially no different than Fridays or Applebee’s? No

    Hooters is as far from TGI Fridays as it is from a Strip Club. Its somewhere in the middle of those two things. And you can’t sit here and say that its essentially a Fridays while saying its completely different than a strip club. It markets itself, in large part, by sex appeal. Its theme, for a large part, is sex appeal. Its image, for a large part, is sex appeal. That has FAR more in common with a strip club than it has to do with Fridays. When I think Fridays my first thought isn’t “scantily clad women, generally big breasted, serving me”. That is the common thought for hooters.

    Also, how is it that you decide this is a “family” restaurant? What constitutes a “family” restaurant to you? Does it need to be marketed towards kids of families? Because the majority of Hooter’s advertisement isn’t towards that. Is it that it’s got kid friendly themes? That’d be arguable here? Does it just have to have a “kids menu”? Cause if that case I know in Virginia, where you’re required by law to sell food even as a bar, a number of smokey, booze heavy, down home bars that even have specials for “kids”. Does that suddenly make THEM a “family restaurant” as well magically?

    You’re defeating your own point by trying to over exaggerate the issue, thus showing your point to be poor and your ability to articulate it to be poor. Hooters IS significantly different than Fridays or Chili’s. Its also significantly different than a strip club. By trying to state the second point by denying the first hurts your case. Hooters is a restaurant that found that sex sells, but more to the point that tackiness and titillation can sell better in the mainstream and become more profitable on large scale then attempting to go over the top with it. Hooters marketing is focused around sex appeal, its theme revolves around it, but rather doing it in an incredibly seductive or even overly perverted way it goes for an tacky almost cartoony version of it. Almost a parody of itself. Its got good niche, a niche other restaurants have tried to jump into (check the web for the Heart Attack Grill I believe, which used naughty nurse outfits for its waitresses). It is definitely a restaurant, but a family restaurant and “no different” than Chili’s save for some “shorts” (which even just calling them “shorts” doesn’t exactly do them correct justice) it is not. If you’re going to compare it to anything I’d honestly say it compares more to a sports bar, with a side of sex appeal.

    At the same time, this isn’t something that is going to scar any high school children or confuse them about sex or anything like this. The booty shorts these girls wear are something they’d likely at least seen somewhere at some times, at the very least if they’ve EVER been to a pool in their life. The cleavage, again, probably would’ve been seen on at least some of the girls around their school or on TV. Its not like they’re seeing things they never said. However, much like taking a group of kids to a random bar, I generally would agree its not the smartest place for a teacher to take kids to if you use any common sense. I think the response is WAYYYY over the top and way more than is needed, but I don’t think its fair to say its “no different” than if she had just taken them to an applebee’s.

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    My apologizes. Lets go with what you said







    Your words. No different/no different save for shorts

    I've been to a hooters (and I live in the south). Its not my place of choice, but I have nothing inherently wrong with it. However, saying that Hooters is "essentially" the same thing as TGI Fridays or Applebee's is like saying those places are “essentially” the same as a mom and pop restaurant because they both sell burgers and fries.

    Hooters has more in common imho with a standard “sports bar” than most family restaurants honestly. You’re right, they generally don’t have a giant “bar” area, because pitchers of beer are common throughout the restaurant. How often do you see tables with entire PITCHERS of alcohol at their tables at a Fridays or an Applebees? I can’t think of a time I’ve seen it. I can’t think of a time I’ve been in a hooters where I haven’t seen such at multiple tables.

    How many restaurants such as Fridays or Applebee’s sell calendars of scantily clad women specifically pushing them as something enticing to the eyes? Not ever that I can think of, but such is easily for sell at hooters. Do they stylize the entire restaurant and numerous pieces of apparel around a word meant to be a play on words for beasts, such as buttons going “Hooters make me happy”? Do they have such promotion style, specifically focusing on the looks of their waitresses, such as “Hot Chicks, Great Tix” that was going on at some point recently with hooters? More so, do places like Fridays and Applebee’s limit themselves only to female waitresses?

    This is all on top of what I already pointed out in regards to the dress code that their servers wear.

    Is hooters a strip club? No

    Is hooters essentially no different than Fridays or Applebee’s? No

    Hooters is as far from TGI Fridays as it is from a Strip Club. Its somewhere in the middle of those two things. And you can’t sit here and say that its essentially a Fridays while saying its completely different than a strip club. It markets itself, in large part, by sex appeal. Its theme, for a large part, is sex appeal. Its image, for a large part, is sex appeal. That has FAR more in common with a strip club than it has to do with Fridays. When I think Fridays my first thought isn’t “scantily clad women, generally big breasted, serving me”. That is the common thought for hooters.

    Also, how is it that you decide this is a “family” restaurant? What constitutes a “family” restaurant to you? Does it need to be marketed towards kids of families? Because the majority of Hooter’s advertisement isn’t towards that. Is it that it’s got kid friendly themes? That’d be arguable here? Does it just have to have a “kids menu”? Cause if that case I know in Virginia, where you’re required by law to sell food even as a bar, a number of smokey, booze heavy, down home bars that even have specials for “kids”. Does that suddenly make THEM a “family restaurant” as well magically?

    You’re defeating your own point by trying to over exaggerate the issue, thus showing your point to be poor and your ability to articulate it to be poor. Hooters IS significantly different than Fridays or Chili’s. Its also significantly different than a strip club. By trying to state the second point by denying the first hurts your case. Hooters is a restaurant that found that sex sells, but more to the point that tackiness and titillation can sell better in the mainstream and become more profitable on large scale then attempting to go over the top with it. Hooters marketing is focused around sex appeal, its theme revolves around it, but rather doing it in an incredibly seductive or even overly perverted way it goes for an tacky almost cartoony version of it. Almost a parody of itself. Its got good niche, a niche other restaurants have tried to jump into (check the web for the Heart Attack Grill I believe, which used naughty nurse outfits for its waitresses). It is definitely a restaurant, but a family restaurant and “no different” than Chili’s save for some “shorts” (which even just calling them “shorts” doesn’t exactly do them correct justice) it is not. If you’re going to compare it to anything I’d honestly say it compares more to a sports bar, with a side of sex appeal.

    At the same time, this isn’t something that is going to scar any high school children or confuse them about sex or anything like this. The booty shorts these girls wear are something they’d likely at least seen somewhere at some times, at the very least if they’ve EVER been to a pool in their life. The cleavage, again, probably would’ve been seen on at least some of the girls around their school or on TV. Its not like they’re seeing things they never said. However, much like taking a group of kids to a random bar, I generally would agree its not the smartest place for a teacher to take kids to if you use any common sense. I think the response is WAYYYY over the top and way more than is needed, but I don’t think its fair to say its “no different” than if she had just taken them to an applebee’s.

    You make some good points.

    However, I would disagree that Hooters is as far away from a TGI-Fridays as it is from a strip club.

    There are many "family" restaurants that have a bar/grill feel. Hell...you can go into a "Shakey's" and see pitchers of beer on many of the tables.

    I don't know if you've been to a "Yankee Doodles" or if they are much of a chain. We have a few of them here in Los Angeles.
    These are bar/grill type establishments, but you have to be 21 to get in.
    I guess that is where I would differentiate that type of place from a "Hooters" that is an all-age establishment.

    If the teacher were taking the kids to a place that had an age-restriction, I think that would be violating the expectations. But taking kids to an establishment that serves alcohol, but is open to all segments of the population should not get people up in arms.

    I guess where I would draw the line is that as long as the teacher is taking the kids to a place that they otherwise would legally be allowed to be in at any time on their own, then I don't believe that authorization should be required.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    I wonder if these parents would object to females in bathing suits at a public pool outing?

    Or could it be that food + females equals inappropriate?

    More likely that the name of the resteraunt is the key. If it was called owlhouse and featured all the same outfits it wouldn't have the same impact.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    I wonder if these parents would object to females in bathing suits at a public pool outing?

    Or could it be that food + females equals inappropriate?

    More likely that the name of the resteraunt is the key. If it was called owlhouse and featured all the same outfits it wouldn't have the same impact.
    I wonder if the people saying there is no difference between Hooters and TGI Fridays would think it was appropriate for Female teachers to wear bathing suits to classes. Or could it actually be that attire isn't worn in a vacume IT HAS A CONTEXT

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I wonder if the people saying there is no difference between Hooters and TGI Fridays would think it was appropriate for Female teachers to wear bathing suits to classes. Or could it actually be that attire isn't worn in a vacume IT HAS A CONTEXT
    Oh so the context matters? And what might the difference be? The food is the only difference here. Have you ever been to a hooters establishment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    Oh so the context matters? And what might the difference be? The food is the only difference here. Have you ever been to a hooters establishment?
    The food is the only difference between what two scenarios? WTF are you talking about!?

    I am comparing the context of Teachers dressing in a revealing manner and beach goers dressing in a revealing manner. In one place it is accepted by almost everyone and in the other place it rejected by almost everyone.

    As for pretty women dressing in a revealing manner in the context of a restaurant where they will be waiting on mostly men... that is a context somewhere between the beach and the classroom as far as appropriateness of revealing clothing.

    Most restaurants have decided that dignity, decorum and general professionalism is the appropriate clothing for the restaurant context. Not Hooters. Their choice is inappropriate. Their choice is marketed as being different from other restaurants, and is marketed largely to certain kind of adult male. Their inappropriate choice appeals to those men (and clearly to quite a number of teen boys).

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    The food is the only difference between what two scenarios? WTF are you talking about!?

    I am comparing the context of Teachers dressing in a revealing manner and beach goers dressing in a revealing manner. In one place it is accepted by almost everyone and in the other place it rejected by almost everyone.

    As for pretty women dressing in a revealing manner in the context of a restaurant where they will be waiting on mostly men... that is a context somewhere between the beach and the classroom as far as appropriateness of revealing clothing.

    Most restaurants have decided that dignity, decorum and general professionalism is the appropriate clothing for the restaurant context. Not Hooters. Their choice is inappropriate. Their choice is marketed as being different from other restaurants, and is marketed largely to certain kind of adult male. Their inappropriate choice appeals to those men (and clearly to quite a number of teen boys).
    no way would we expect to see young women in such revealing outfits on a high school campus

    no way that would ever be possible

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no way would we expect to see young women in such revealing outfits on a high school campus

    no way that would ever be possible
    Yes or No: Do you think it is appropriate for a high school teacher to dress as you have shown above here while teaching class?

    If you say Yes, I don't believe you. If you say No, then you are admitting that different types of clothing have different contexts.

    As to your photo being a high school context, I don't really know. In any case, she is a cheerleader doing cheerleading stuff at a football game. That is the context of her attire. It is appropriate for her context, more or less. It is quite different than having a big busted woman in a tight t-shirt leaning over your face to deliver your hot wings and clearing your plate away when you are finished.

    What is so hard about this?

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