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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    So kids should get to do whatever they "want" to do then?
    Did I say that?

    ...and it is not perfectly tame, it has waitresses walking around in tight revealing clothing. I have no problem with that, I do have a problem with the parents not being informed though. That is what I said if you read it with an openess.
    I was at a weekend meet for cross-country once and our coaches took us to a restaurant, one we wanted to go to. Were my coaches obligated to contact my parents before taking me to a restaurant? I mean, I ate at restaurants all the time when I was in high-school, many times without informing my parents. I didnít know that going to restaurants was such a huge deal nowadays.

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Okay, because I'm sensing this idea that the inappropriateness of Hooters has something to do with the waitresses being "attractive", as if they become sexual by mere virtue of their physical features.
    It is inappropriate for a teacher to take a bunch of teenage boys because of the all-female waitress staff that is wearing tight, short and revealing clothing that no other normal restaurant, and certainly not a family one, wears...
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It is inappropriate because of the all-female waitress staff that is wearing tight, short and revealing clothing that no other normal restaurant, and certainly not a family one, wears...
    So, it would be okay if the teacher had taken the boys to a "family restaurant"?

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It is inappropriate for a teacher to take a bunch of teenage boys because of the all-female waitress staff that is wearing tight, short and revealing clothing that no other normal restaurant, and certainly not a family one, wears...
    I wonder what kind of TV the parent that got mad let the child watch...probably even bought the kid some M rated games. What was that term from earlier? "Selective Outrage" I like it. I could be wrong however, the parents could be fundamentalist religious zealots...

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Did I say that?



    I was at a weekend meet for cross-country once and our coaches took us to a restaurant, one we wanted to go to. Were my coaches obligated to contact my parents before taking me to a restaurant? I mean, I ate at restaurants all the time when I was in high-school, many times without informing my parents. I didnít know that going to restaurants was such a huge deal nowadays.
    You said that they wanted to go, and that indicates that this reason is why the teacher took them. The problem is, that this negates the very real and very necessary role of parent and teacher responsibility for decision making for minors and those in their care.

    Hooters is not a normal restaurant... until you accept this, there is no reason to discuss anything further. Hooters used to make national headlines for various reasons regarding the role of woman and their clothing... deal with it.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    So, it would be okay if the teacher had taken the boys to a "family restaurant"?
    yes... of which Hooters is not. My coaches took us out all the time and from what I recall, parents were always informed of that fact, but not of the particular restaurant, it was no big deal. Today, teachers have to give out consent froms for parents regarding every part of a trip, in most cases...
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You said that they wanted to go, and that indicates that this reason is why the teacher took them. The problem is, that this negates the very real and very necessary role of parent and teacher responsibility for decision making for minors and those in their care.

    Hooters is not a normal restaurant... until you accept this, there is no reason to discuss anything further. Hooters used to make national headlines for various reasons regarding the role of woman and their clothing... deal with it.
    These kids were in High school. They could easily have gone to hooters on their own, and probably have in most cases.

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    yes... of which Hooters is not. My coaches took us out all the time and from what I recall, parents were always informed of that fact, but not of the particular restaurant, it was no big deal. Today, teachers have to give out consent froms for parents regarding every part of a trip, in most cases...
    So, a teacher - more specifically a coach - is given some discretion as to where they can take their kids?

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    yes... of which Hooters is not. My coaches took us out all the time and from what I recall, parents were always informed of that fact, but not of the particular restaurant, it was no big deal. Today, teachers have to give out consent froms for parents regarding every part of a trip, in most cases...
    Also, I would take offense if someone took my child to a "family restaurant". I do not recognize the tyrannical patriarchal social construct your refer to as the "family unit".

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    There is going to be a certain level of disconnect with cheerleaders. Not denying that. However, think of it this way. We can argue back and forth on the specific degree of sexuality and exposure to sexuality in society, however, that is completely sidestepping the real issue which is the ability of an instructor to know precisely what is going to be a sore spot, a moment of controversy for school-related actions. In my opinion, it is far more obvious that people are going to be offended at taking students to Hooters than the school football game. Is it selective? Certainly. Should the teacher have known better to not push the envelope? Damn right.

    Does it matter to stick to one's guns and point out hypocrisy? Only if you are a dumbass teacher who wants to annoy people with argumentative blabbering and in turn get your ass burned at the end of the day.

    Picking one's battles applies to those who choose to support the actions of the instructor as well. Know your limitations as an instructor, and act accordingly.
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