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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    it is your opinion that it was appropriate. others disagree.
    You are correct. It is my opinion. If you believe Hooters is inappropriate, keep you child at home where they won't be exposed to anything that you might find offensive....or teach them to obey and/or follow your rules.

    I don't expect the school to police my child. My child, especially at high school age, should know what I find appropriate or not and make their choices based on what I have taught them. I don't need the school to be my police agent if my child is taught properly.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    You are right. You mention nothing about its appropriateness for high schoolers, brought there by there teacher. The Hooters 2006 employee agreement said its main concept was "female sex appeal". Now, it may just be a restaurant, but its not just any restaurant.

    In public school, a teacher has a responsibility to each student not to put the student in situations that offend the student. The teacher has a responsibility to the parents not to put the students in situations that violate the moral teaching of the parents.

    I assume some parents beside me believe that it is wrong to objectify women as sex objects. That's what Hooters does. Is it so blatant that every moral person in america objects to Hooters? No, its not that bad. I have been to Hooters twice, once with a group of guys from work, and once with one other guy from work. I have never been back, and I don't plan to. Below average food for above average prices, marketed on the sex appeal of the girls. I'd rather have a good hamburger somewhere else.

    It is not that bad of a place, but better choices for a school group were available in downtown Phoenix. Just go someplace else. The administration suspended the teacher as they should have, for exercising poor judgment. Nobody charged her with a crime, nobody said she can't teach anymore. It wasn't a horrible judgment error, but it was a minor error and she suffers a minor punishment. Good job by the school administration.
    So, taking high-schoolers to a national restaurant chain that is patronized by millions of people every year is poor judgment? Strange...

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    He has done nothing of the sort. Clothing has more context than simply the person wearing it. I suppose you would support girls wearing bathing suits to their high school classes? How about the teachers doing the same?

    Deliberately charging an atmosphere with sexuality where that sexuality is traditionally absent: That is the appeal of Hooters. That is the crux of the matter with regard to the teacher's judgement.
    Oh yea, the Hooters atmosphere is just CHARGED with sexuality. It's virtually dripping off the walls!


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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Regicollis View Post
    So what really happened here? A teacher took an all-male group of students to a restaurant where the waitresses wear a little less clothes than in other places. What is the big deal? - I'm sure male high school students already knows how big-busted women looks.

    What also puzzles me is that the school bends over backwards to appease the parents of the single student. Even if there was a reason to believe the teacher did something wrong, surely a milder sanction would be in place.

    I would be happy if someone could clarify exactly why some people are so afraid of anything remotely sexual and why the rest of American society seems so afraid of these people and so willing to appease them.
    It's a mystery, really. Americans are fixated upon sex, but in a very unhealthy and repressed way.

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You are correct. It is my opinion. If you believe Hooters is inappropriate, keep you child at home where they won't be exposed to anything that you might find offensive....or teach them to obey and/or follow your rules.

    I don't expect the school to police my child. My child, especially at high school age, should know what I find appropriate or not and make their choices based on what I have taught them. I don't need the school to be my police agent if my child is taught properly.
    So you are now suggesting that a parent should keep their kids from school on the off chance a teacher might take them to Hooters? How could this kid obey the parental rules when it was not his choice to go there, and he may not have had his parents explicitly say "Hooters is off limits"? Why should a kid even be put into that position, when a permission slip with an itinerary is trivial to use? The school would not have to police anything if a proper procedure had been used.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Regicollis View Post
    So what really happened here? A teacher took an all-male group of students to a restaurant where the waitresses wear a little less clothes than in other places. What is the big deal? - I'm sure male high school students already knows how big-busted women looks.

    What also puzzles me is that the school bends over backwards to appease the parents of the single student. Even if there was a reason to believe the teacher did something wrong, surely a milder sanction would be in place.

    I would be happy if someone could clarify exactly why some people are so afraid of anything remotely sexual and why the rest of American society seems so afraid of these people and so willing to appease them.
    It's not that big of a deal.
    But what is the big deal about expecting a little professionalism from teachers? There are other, more appropriate restaurants for a teacher to take her students. I think it's a bit extreme to draw the conclusion that some people are "afraid" of anything remotely sexual. Jeesh. Just show some common sense and take them to Applebees or whatever. How hard is that?

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you are now suggesting that a parent should keep their kids from school on the off chance a teacher might take them to Hooters? How could this kid obey the parental rules when it was not his choice to go there, and he may not have had his parents explicitly say "Hooters is off limits"? Why should a kid even be put into that position, when a permission slip with an itinerary is trivial to use? The school would not have to police anything if a proper procedure had been used.
    What I am saying is that if your sensibilities are such that you are easily offended and worried about what your child is exposed to, the simple answer is home schooling. That way you can protect your child from everything that might offend you.

    Maybe its not in the article, I don't remember, but I know for a fact in following the story that they kid of the offended parents expressed concern that his parents wouldn't want him to go there. Several students offered to go to the Subway restaurant with him. However, he declined and made the choice to go. That shows that he knew what his parents expected....he had a choice...an option...and he chose to go.

    Why should a school be put in a position to have to try to please the whim/sensibilities of every parent that might be offended? Seriously.
    If you are that sensitive to what your child might be exposed to, then don't let him go on the trip.

    The school should not have to follow a procedure that gives every menial detail on an itinerary....any more than they should be required to have their lesson plans pre-screened on a daily basis so as not to offend anyone.
    A general itinerary detailing the basics of the trip should suffice and as long as the school adheres to proper supervision utilizing restaurants that are suitable for all ages and open to all ages...THAT is sufficient and they shouldn't be required to take steps to nurture people and their selective outrage and sensibilities.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What I am saying is that if your sensibilities are such that you are easily offended and worried about what your child is exposed to, the simple answer is home schooling. That way you can protect your child from everything that might offend you.
    So, home school, or actually plan trips as has been done for decades. Wonder which makes more sense...

    Maybe its not in the article, I don't remember, but I know for a fact in following the story that they kid of the offended parents expressed concern that his parents wouldn't want him to go there. Several students offered to go to the Subway restaurant with him. However, he declined and made the choice to go. That shows that he knew what his parents expected....he had a choice...an option...and he chose to go.
    Without details, there is no way of knowing. However, again, if this story is accurate, then even the teacher knew without question that the choice of places to go was going to be controversial. Bad judgment in the extreme then.

    Why should a school be put in a position to have to try to please the whim/sensibilities of every parent that might be offended? Seriously.
    If you are that sensitive to what your child might be exposed to, then don't let him go on the trip.
    Why should any employee have to please his bosses? If the parent had known in advance that Hooters was part of the trip, they probably would not have let their kid go. Planning, it easy and beneficial.

    The school should not have to follow a procedure that gives every menial detail on an itinerary....any more than they should be required to have their lesson plans pre-screened on a daily basis so as not to offend anyone.
    A general itinerary detailing the basics of the trip should suffice and as long as the school adheres to proper supervision utilizing restaurants that are suitable for all ages and open to all ages...THAT is sufficient and they shouldn't be required to take steps to nurture people and their selective outrage and sensibilities.
    This whole thing proves that it is not sufficient. Poor judgment on the teachers part shows why it is not sufficient.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    How dare a child be subjected to this! With all the wholesome material on TV, conservative school dress codes, and a society that assails our children with righteousness and good morals at every turn, how can we NOT expect anger and disgust from a parent whose child was just FORCIBLY SUBJECTED TO THIS FILTH!?

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    The Parent's anger and School's actions are completely justified.




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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So, home school, or actually plan trips as has been done for decades. Wonder which makes more sense...



    Without details, there is no way of knowing. However, again, if this story is accurate, then even the teacher knew without question that the choice of places to go was going to be controversial. Bad judgment in the extreme then.



    Why should any employee have to please his bosses? If the parent had known in advance that Hooters was part of the trip, they probably would not have let their kid go. Planning, it easy and beneficial.



    This whole thing proves that it is not sufficient. Poor judgment on the teachers part shows why it is not sufficient.
    Once again....your post is nothing more than stretching to find some basis to support your feigned selective outrage.

    Why would patronizing a national all-age restaurant be considered "Controversial"? Obviously to other than a minor few...it isn't. That's why it is "selective outrage".

    Why should the school have to change its policies to avoid offending the sensibilities of ONE parent. They shouldn't

    Perhaps parents who are so concerned about what their high school child is subjected to should take the trip with them. That way they can cover their eyes and ears anytime they see or hear anything that they don't approve of.

    C'mon people. Get real. If you this is not selective outrage and you really are that hypersensitive that you are offended by this, then you really should stick to Perkins...because in the real world, Beer is served at many restaurants and people may see women in shorts and tanktops.
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