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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    I think you should have more options on your poll. They could have counseled her and given a warning, plus sent out a general memo to the school staff that this sort of thing is not in keeping with school policies. I think the parent of the child had every right to complain.

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I think you should have more options on your poll. They could have counseled her and given a warning, plus sent out a general memo to the school staff that this sort of thing is not in keeping with school policies. I think the parent of the child had every right to complain.
    certainly. the parents had a right to complain

    that does not make their complaint a valid one


    what would the school administration have established in that warning as the teacher's benchmark for future conduct ... being able to anticipate the unreasonable objections of a student's parents whose views were not mainstream? the best way not to avoid mistakes is to do nothing. is that really the standard we want to set for our public employees?

    isn't teaching difficult enough already without imposing such unattainable expectations

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    no they usually look like:





    Though usually a little more chunky, older, and a few c-section scars.
    i'll take her, a side of wings and a bud lite please!

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    It's a very valid complaint. Many people don't share the same liberal 'anything goes' values as some of the posters here. They disapprove of a restaurant that appeals to the baser and more exploitative values of society. They expect the schools to try to instill some of the nobler virtues into impressionable young people. They also might find it even more inappropriate for a female teacher to take young males into a titillating setting such as hooters.

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    It's a very valid complaint. Many people don't share the same liberal 'anything goes' values as some of the posters here. They disapprove of a restaurant that appeals to the baser and more exploitative values of society. They expect the schools to try to instill some of the nobler virtues into impressionable young people. They also might find it even more inappropriate for a female teacher to take young males into a titillating setting such as hooters.
    it's a public restaurant without an age limit to access, licensed by the local government to operate for the general population's enjoyment. if it posed a menace to a portion of the population - in this instance to school aged children - then more limited access would be imposed as a condition of its operations. that does not appear to be the case in this instance. no harm, no foul

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    There are many activities that are legal for children to do that school teachers shouldn't be doing with them. Hooters is definitely one of them. I'm a parent and I might not have complained, but I wouldn't approve nor appreciate it.

    For every complaint there are probably 10 that agree but didn't take that extra step to complain.

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    There are many activities that are legal for children to do that school teachers shouldn't be doing with them. Hooters is definitely one of them. I'm a parent and I might not have complained, but I wouldn't approve nor appreciate it.

    For every complaint there are probably 10 that agree but didn't take that extra step to complain.
    as a parent, the way you control your children's activities is not to sign off on authority for others to control them ... when signing that authorization you then authorize the other person's judgment to be used instead of your own - as in this instance

    easy fix for you and those like you; don't allow your kids to interact in such activities and you will then be sure they will not be exposed to that with which you disagree, no matter how lawful that exposure might be (again, as in this instance)

    in short, you don't get it both ways. you don't pawn your kids off on someone else and then complain when someone else engages in a legal activity you do not approve. the way you exercise that control is by not authorizing the activity. too easy ... but complaining and monday morning quarterbacking appears to be more fun

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    An easy fix would be for the school and its teachers to exercise some discretion and judgement that is respectful of those with more conservative values.

    Hooters is not a place for a female teacher to take a bunch of boys. Very inappropriate.

    I think she should have been privately counseled and given a warning. She should have called the complaining parent to explain and apologize. I think it was a mistake to suspend the teacher over this because it makes too much of a scene. The disciplining should have been more private.

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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Hooters is not a place for a female teacher to take a bunch of boys. Very inappropriate.
    How so? I'm still trying to find a logical argument for how children in Hooters in appropriate. As DisneyDude stated earlier, I think most of the people upset with this have some serious misconceptions about what Hooters actually is.
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    Re: Hooters - should this teacher be suspended for this?

    From the article:

    "A Paradise Valley High School music teacher whose students performed at one of President's Barack Obama inauguration events"

    That seems like grounds for suspension.

    But really, I'd say that it depends on the school. If this is a Catholic school, I would expect it and have no problem with it. A private school should be able to do what it wants. What would I want a public school to do though? I guess it depends on the local community.

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