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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    It's doctrine makes it far more inclined to violence and authoritarian rule than, say Buddhism or secularism. That is fact that you could learn for yourself if you actually studied religions instead of dropping your little "well other people do bad stuff too" card and pretending you have a point.
    Please, point to where said doctrine is canonized in the church.
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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The comparison to Nazism is not as much heinous and hateful as it is accurate and historically correct.
    Yep, you've convinced me now. Christians do currently seek to exterminate undesirable people. They gas them in ovens, by the millions. They're just like Nazis. Why have I never noticed?
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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Please, point to where said doctrine is canonized in the church.
    Read the fuggin Bible!

    "Now go attack the Amalekites and totally destroy them. Do not spare them, put to death men, women, children, infants, cattle, sheep, camels, and donkeys." - 1 Samuel 15:3

    For example. Find something like this occurring in the name of "secularism" (Communism doesn't count).

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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Quote Originally Posted by niftydrifty View Post
    Yep, you've convinced me now. Christians do currently seek to exterminate undesirable people. They gas them in ovens, by the thousands. They're just like Nazis. Why have I never noticed?
    Some do. Either way, there's a difference between attacking all members of the Christian religion, and attacking the religion's doctrine itself.

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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The comparison to Nazism is not as much heinous and hateful as it is accurate and historically correct.
    Which does not make Christianity political. You are changing subjects now.
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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    Read the fuggin Bible!

    "Now go attack the Amalekites and totally destroy them. Do not spare them, put to death men, women, children, infants, cattle, sheep, camels, and donkeys." - 1 Samuel 15:3

    For example. Find something like this occurring in the name of "secularism" (Communism doesn't count).
    The wars in the OT are not justification for war. That is horrible interpretation and should not be followed. My church does not. We don't even read the OT in our calender except during lent and only the portions that refer to the suffering servant in Isaiah. Here, this is a quote from an encyclical from the patriarch of the Greek church:

    "We stand firmly against those who violate the sanctity of human life and pursue policies in defiance of moral values. We reject the concept that it is possible to justify one's actions in any armed conflicts in the name of God."

    You see, in my church, scripture is highly valued but is also a part of tradition, as it was from the beginning. Therefore, one can argue against said craziness like those wars in the OT. So, it is NOT canonized in all churches at all times. Have people used it to justify their violence: yes. But it has never been a doctrinal canon to do violence. So, you must blame individuals at certain times in history rather than blaming the religion.

    For example, during the crusades, the Christians of the east took a passive stance. The monks took in both crusaders and moors alike when they were wounded. No questions asked. It has been that way for eastern monks since their inceptions. You see, the west often ignores the east, which is, 1) where Christianity originates (it is not a "western" religion in the sense of origins) and 2) the east holds the second largest church in the world and more recently, many westerners have joined the east as well. We have a strong sense of human dignity and at the center of our doctrine is the idea that all humans are Images of God and therefore ought to be treated with such dignity. No death penalty and no war. Of course, my church has had its horrible moments in history, but that is due to people being mislead to think they are doing what's right rather than following proper doctrine.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    It's doctrine makes it far more inclined to violence and authoritarian rule than, say Buddhism or secularism. That is fact that you could learn for yourself if you actually studied religions instead of dropping your little "well other people do bad stuff too" card and pretending you have a point.
    Did I mention secularism or Buddhism? The point, which you missed, is that judging current Christianity by the actions of those hundreds of years ago is foolish. Christianity does not have a monopoly on atrocity, and is not the most or least guilty. It's also irrelevant in relation to the modern world and this discussion as to whether Christianity is political.
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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Which does not make Christianity political. You are changing subjects now.
    I already told you it's more commercial than political. And when it's political, it's only political for the sake of commercial gain. It has had no proof of its legitimacy and it never will. "Creationism", the resurrection, and the like have been thoroughly debunked (not that they ever had any proof to begin with).

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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Depends on which Christians and what part of the world.
    And what era of history. I personally enjoy the Borgia popes.

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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Did I mention secularism or Buddhism? The point, which you missed, is that judging current Christianity by the actions of those hundreds of years ago is foolish. Christianity does not have a monopoly on atrocity, and is not the most or least guilty. It's also irrelevant in relation to the modern world and this discussion as to whether Christianity is political.
    Only the actions of those from 100s of years ago? What about Fred Phelps, Jerry Falwel, Pat Robertson, Ted Haggart, pedophile priests, Operation Rescue, the IRA, the KKK, the CSA, the Aryan Nations, David Koresch, Jim Jones, etc etc etc

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