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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Like how Mount Everest became the tallest mountain only after it was discovered?
    And things only started being made out of atoms when we discovered them. Apparently, human observation and discovery makes reality what it is.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Of course. But it's the 21st century. Most everything is political. Even feeding the hungry.
    Well, yes, Christianity is an issue within politics, as is pretty much everything these days, including race and gender. But is politics the main issue within Christianity? That's what I'm asking.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    "Christianity" in theory should not be political. However, what has happened is that the radical right wing has politicized the term "Christian" to advance their far-right wing agenda.
    As a result, there are many of us who are Christian who are now embarassed to be associated with them.
    I am Christian...but not "Christian".
    When people today ask me what religion I am I tell that that I believe in Christ and strive to live a Christ-like life...which today is about as far away from "Christian as there is.
    What a load of crap. When most people hear the word "Christian" they do not immediately think of anything political. Not to mention that not everyone in the "radical right wing" is Christian (see Scarecrow Ackbar), and only a tiny portion of Christians are in the "radical right wing".

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Let me be clear...

    I think religion is inherently political. Just go to the average church business meeting and you'll see what I mean...factions, politicking, lobbying.
    This is not even close to what you were originally talking about. You said that Christianity is so much a political movement that it should be categorized in the same way as any political position by the forum rules. A church business meeting is not a part of such a political movement, and you never brought such things up; you just kept implying that Christianity is primarily concerned with politics, to the point where you called it a PAC.

    A church business meeting is not even part of Christianity. It is a meeting for the upkeep of an institute that is part of Christianity. The meeting itself has nothing to do with the religion.

    I'm wondering if you're just trying to change your angle now because your last one was so batsh** crazy.

    Real faith, however, isn't political. It's deeply personal.

    When I talk about Christianity, I am referring to the religious hierarchy and the religion itself, not the faith. Two separate things. That may help people to understand where I'm coming from.
    What's the difference between a "religion" and a "faith", in your mind?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post


    Why don't you, at this point, pretend that you've won*, because I'm particularly tired of engaging pointless rebuttals like this. Yay. You've won the internetz. Go you.
    *The pointless posturing and vapidity of your arguments has worn me down, and I've stopped caring.
    And yet, you still have not responded to a single one of those rebuttals, despite the thread being flooded with them. As we have pointed out some gazillion times now, by your logic, if Christianity is political, then so is race, age, gender, and a whole bunch of other non-political things. Do you have a response to this?

    Although, I will point out that the poll indicates that there are as many people who agree with me as disagree with me. Considering the conservative nature of this forum, I find that interesting.
    Likely many of them don't think it's true in the same way you do, though. See GySgt's post, and my response.

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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Being over 35 years old is political. Having a birth certificate is political.
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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    This topic came up in another thread, but I figured it was more appropriate to move it here.






    Is Christianity - All of Christianity, not just any political movement within it - a political movement?
    Christianity has been used to justify pretty much everything from communism (see liberation theology) to fascism (See Francisco Franco) to Anarchism (see Leo Tolstoy). Its certainly been used to justify many political systems and ideas of the years but to claim it is a cohesive political movement is absurd. Even evangelicalism in the United States is far more politically diverse then its made out to be. Have a look at these guys.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Campolo]Tony Campolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Wallis]Jim Wallis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Did you know that no US president has ever been an only child? Having siblings is political.
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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    And you're still a Christian? Wow.
    Yes, because I knew that Evangelicalism was not the core of the Christian faith. If I abandoned my faith because of them, then they influence me the same way they did when I was a part of their group. Evangelicals cannot define Christianity for me, my family, or the majority of the church.
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    Re: Is Christianity Political?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Let me be clear...

    I think religion is inherently political. Just go to the average church business meeting and you'll see what I mean...factions, politicking, lobbying.

    Real faith, however, isn't political. It's deeply personal.

    When I talk about Christianity, I am referring to the religious hierarchy and the religion itself, not the faith. Two separate things. That may help people to understand where I'm coming from.
    I have to disagree with you. When Dav says political, I think he means in the wider country, not in and among people. Anytime people are together, there are going to be issues because people bring baggage. The reason Evangelicalism is so damn messed up is because those in it believe Christianity is an individualistic religion. It's not. It's a community one that must be walked out with others. It's not "deeply personal" only.

    I cannot separate the church from "faith" because, theologically, it is inherently about said church, faith, and community.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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