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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    As many of you know, on Opera, Obma Graded his performance a "B+", and said had he passed his health care, he would have given himself higher...



    I think the dood is on crack.



    What grade would you give him thus far?



    Oh and discuss specifically why you arrived at said grade.
    He has completely failed on his promised and turned around his policies. That alone deserves an F.
    He is also just the same **** as the previous administration, only slight changes.
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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    I would say C if not a B, because despite misgivings I have, not much has occurred in only several months to dislike him. I'm reluctant to grade the man highly for economics, in fact, I'm skeptical of his policies and their effect in actually pulling the economy up. Foreign policy wise, he still has time to run a course, but it is running out. I do not think that he will be able to convince Russia or China of anything meaningful with sanctions, so I think he will be forced to decide between attack and living with a nuclear Iran if he does not want ineffective sanctions. Afghanistan is up in the air. He promises to uphold No Child Left Behind with support for tweaks, wants some sort of merit pay system (two things I am certainly not against), and is seemingly willing to cast aside some issues for the sake of keeping the primacy of more important issues to him. I'm completely uncertain about health care reform, so I do not even pretend to be able to provide an opinion about it.

    Much has yet to happen.

    I'm not one to expect or desire radical changes on everything. Firstly, I know campaign rhetoric is campaign rhetoric, and not necessarily reasonable when reality hits. I was never a believer in "hope and change", and that is not cynicism.
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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I'm not assigning anything
    You placed the blame for current US unpopularity squarely on Obama when you said:

    Iran and N. Korea are increasingly becomming dangerous, international polling is even worse towards the U.S. than under the Bush or Clinton administrations, etc.


    I fully understand that those dictatorships were problems, what I am assigning to him is blame for softening up our admittedly weak response even further, to potentially catastrophic levels.
    I don't believe Obama softened our response at all, he simply opened the door to strategic possibilities that the Bush Admin wouldn't even consider. Bush's strategy was comprised of tough threats he could not back up. He threatened sanctions, though the previous 20 years of sanctions effectively immunized the Iranian government from US political influence. He threatened military action, though any such action would create an international disaster and destabilize the region to a degree not seen in modern history.

    Any progress that has been made in the previous years (concerning North Korea or Iran) has come not through sanctions or military action, but through the claimed "weak" policies of diplomacy and multilateral negotiations. However, all of this being said, I am a believer in "speak nicely, but carry a big stick."


    Further than that, N.Korea is a failing of the 50's,
    Except that their first nuclear test occurred in 2006.
    and Iran is Jimmy Carter's baby, the big problem IS that Obama is returning to the political tactics that allowed those cancers to be born initially.
    That is just blatantly false. If any one person can be blamed for the Iran that exists today, it is Dwight Eisenhower for signing off on a covert military operation in an attempt to build a friendly Iranian nation. Jimmy Carter's offering of asylum to the American-created dictator was simply the straw that broke the camel's back and allowed the Islamic Republic of Iran to rise.

    Further back than Bush, Clinton had some nuclear flubs with his "nuclear energy" concessions, but it is more than that, N.Korea should have been stamped out during the Korean conflict.
    Certainly, that was easier said than done. However, on both points we find ourselves in agreement.
    Never said that did I? I am blaming NATO for the failure, however, any decision that Obama makes is now his responsibility. I elaborated above. Inheritance is NOT an excuse, how he handles it is his responsibility, and will be judged accordingly, on his handling of the inheritance he gets a solid D.
    Grading Obama on his handling of Afghanistan before his policies are even enacted is sort of like grading a student on how much they study for the upcoming test. However, that is the question posed in the OP, so your answer is understandable.

    NATO cannot hold all the blame. Bush could have sent more troops to Afghanistan at any point in the last 4 years as the war started to get nasty. Though again, we may find some agreement. NATO has exercised much of the control since assuming command of the expanded ISAF, a move with corresponds with the increased violence in the region.

    Endless war is not an option, however neither is leaving a power vacuum in a powderkeg like the middle east, anything short of accomplishing solid goals is unacceptable.
    Agreed. Which is why I give Obama points for finally setting solid goals.

    This is incorrect, the president's influence is twofold, he may suggest policy and sign bills, congress sets monetary policy, which is why they possess the "power of the purse". You falsely assign blame to an act in 2k, the housing crisis dates back to the 70's with the creation of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, it was exacerbated by years of willfull ignorance of the shortfalls in these programs, further so by 1990's strongarm tactics to force risky lending, and finally profiteering by companies looking to cash in on the situation.
    Well, I guess we can trace back the blame to our founding fathers if we wished (should have written something in the constitution, damnit!). Truly, though, I believe the mess in the financial sector was to muddled and complex for anyone to have noticed, except those who stood to gain from the mess itself. For this reason, I tend to avoid assigning blame on anything but greed.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    He has completely failed on his promised and turned around his policies. That alone deserves an F.
    He is also just the same **** as the previous administration, only slight changes.
    Such is the nature of this 1.5 party system we find ourselves voting for.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    I give him an F for the following reasons (reprinted from my post in the basement)

    1.Makes Bush look like a thrifty spender.
    2.Constantly claiming success on obvious failures.
    3.Playing the politics of fear card that he bemoaned during the campaign.
    4.Does not make his policy proposals clear,people end up more confused than anything.
    5.Loves to appoint tax cheats.
    6.Constantly talking out both sides of his mouth on issues.
    7.Wants Crap n Tax.
    8.Wants Health Scare.
    9.Hasn't met a World leader he won't bow to.
    10.'Baghdad' Bob Gibbs.
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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post


    He looks at least twice as badass as any other president in memory
    Doesn't look badass to me.


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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    international polling is worse? where?
    I don't have the data currently, going off of third party sources to be honest. However these things can be seen in the dressing down some countries are giving us, China being the most embarrasing one.



    true enough that we are sending more troops.
    I agree with a surge, but not if there is poor ground coordination(not Obama's fault, this is a NATO failing).




    i realize the president doesn't issue monetary policy. but the unabashed spending by bush and congress helped put us in this position.
    There is absolutely no excuse for the Bush adm. signing off on the original bailouts, that was a completely wasteful experiment that was predicted by many to fail, however if we are being objective, the Democrat controlled congress did pass it through, but we had a second round of this crap also passed by a Democrat held congress and signed off on by Obama, so both Bush and Obama get an F for that particular economic brain fart.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by idk View Post
    You placed the blame for current US unpopularity squarely on Obama when you said:
    Right, I blame him for the current handling of it, I may have misunderstood your original response. I fully acknowledge that he didn't start the problems, however he is using proven useless tactics to deal with the present situation.







    I don't believe Obama softened our response at all, he simply opened the door to strategic possibilities that the Bush Admin wouldn't even consider.
    Diplomacy? That's the only thing I can gather as a different strategy, but this is where we get to the original point, diplomacy has been proven to have unintended consequences with these two particular dictatorships.
    Bush's strategy was comprised of tough threats he could not back up. He threatened sanctions, though the previous 20 years of sanctions effectively immunized the Iranian government from US political influence.
    Right, the sanctions(negative consequence diplomacy) did not work, so yes, Bush did in fact drop the ball on that one, but I don't even see an attempt to use forceful language from this adm.
    He threatened military action, though any such action would create an international disaster and destabilize the region to a degree not seen in modern history.
    Destabilization was a possibility, this is true and a very real hangover effect from the artificial withdrawal of the earlier conflict from last century, however I think we all must concede that something must happen in that region and hopefully someone will figure it out fast before it becomes a military situation, so far Obama's answers have been lacking.




    Except that their first nuclear test occurred in 2006.
    This is true, and I don't know how we or the international community let that happen, but the setup came from past mistakes.

    That is just blatantly false. If any one person can be blamed for the Iran that exists today, it is Dwight Eisenhower for signing off on a covert military operation in an attempt to build a friendly Iranian nation. Jimmy Carter's offering of asylum to the American-created dictator was simply the straw that broke the camel's back and allowed the Islamic Republic of Iran to rise.
    Carter's mistake allowed for the standing government of the time to be deposed, while they were a human rights nightmare, they were far less dangerous to the rest of the region than the current standing government.




    Grading Obama on his handling of Afghanistan before his policies are even enacted is sort of like grading a student on how much they study for the upcoming test. However, that is the question posed in the OP, so your answer is understandable.
    Fair enough.

    NATO cannot hold all the blame. Bush could have sent more troops to Afghanistan at any point in the last 4 years as the war started to get nasty.
    Our troop levels were not well thought out, fully agree, however, and this was also a Bush admn. mistake was to defer central command to NATO, my buddies who came back from that theater were all pretty much of the same opinion to that effect.





    Well, I guess we can trace back the blame to our founding fathers if we wished (should have written something in the constitution, damnit!). Truly, though, I believe the mess in the financial sector was to muddled and complex for anyone to have noticed, except those who stood to gain from the mess itself. For this reason, I tend to avoid assigning blame on anything but greed.
    I think real reform in finance and commerce is a commendable goal, and I will concede that there are some both the private and public sectors will game the system for any monetary gains, I am not so much anti-regulation as I believe in the necessary and proper test for any applications of said rules. For instance, compliance with federal regs. is a nightmare, and so confusing that it can skew economic data to the levels of incomprehension, things need to be simplified to public health/safety protection(within reason), and fraud should be vigilantly prosecuted, basically, good faith business should be the goal, not necessarily the beaurocratic mess the idea of public trust has become.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    NO
    And no vote...
    This (Presidency) is not school.
    Who the hell are we anyway to be "grading the president".
    If we as people were to be "graded" all the time, we would fail, and we have failed..
    So what good does this do???

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    "Meets minimum standards".
    This is why I give him a C. He "Meets minimum standards".

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