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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    War In Iraq/Afghanistan: C-
    With Iraq he seemed to have pulled back on some of his promises and rhetoric prior to the campaign and during the campaign of a quick pull out, and seems to be letting them finish up there as they need. He took far too long for my liking with making a choice for Afghanistan, which brings the score down. However, he did the right thing by allowing for the troops that were requested, which made the score go up. At the same time, his idiotic time table was a poor idea, making score go down. All told, he’s a bit below average in my mind on the War in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    National security: C-

    Hasn’t gutted the Patriot Act, which is good. Contrary to his rhetoric prior to the campaign and during it he didn’t just come in and shut down gitmo, with it still functioning to this day. However moving enemy combatants into true civilian trials is a negative and brings his points total down. Again, below average but not abysmal.

    Foreign Relations: C

    Flat C here. In some ways, he’s helped improve America’s image internationally compared to what it was. In other ways, he’s changed us from looking stupid to looking weak and embarrassed. To me its trading a pile of crap for a jar of piss. Yeah, the piss may not stink as bad as the crap, but its still not what I’d call GOOD. He hasn’t done any major foreign relations policies or anything of that sort large enough yet to really give me a reading on him beyond just his effects on it by his attitude and presence.

    Domestic Issues: F

    Big fat F here. It appears he took the Bush Bailouts and introduced it to Barry Bond’s personal physician, cause its gone on steroids. Cap and Trade was a horrible, horrible idea. The health care bill is a disaster. The only thing I can think of offhand in regards to this is stopping federal raids on marijuana in states like California, and that’s extremely minor compared to the rest.

    Supreme Court: D

    It keeps from being an F because she’s at least qualified. I just think she was an all around horrendous pick.

    Campaign Promise: F

    This Presidency has been the most partisan Presidency I’ve experienced, even more so than when you had Dick Cheney popping up to make comments about those disagreeing with them on war policy or Clinton talking about a vast right wing conspiracy. I’ve never seen so much partisanship and petty attacks beneath the office of the Presidency done by the President and his staff themselves rather than through proxy’s in the media as I have with Barack Obama. This has not been an era of post partisanship, but one that ramped it up even more. The only way Obama seems to see things as “post partisan” is for everyone to just abandon conservatism and agree with him so his partisanship is just normal. In his campaign they attack McCain for ties of lobbyists, stating they won’t have any in their administration, and then immediately there’s lobbyist. They make a big deal about signing statements, and immediately start making signing statements. 95% of working American’s won’t experience a tax raise, pure bull**** politician speak based on technicalities because he’s jamming the cost onto us in other areas other than an income tax raise. Just about every campaign promise or theme that made me at least have hope he may not be atrocious was broken pretty much and showed him to be the empty suit and rhetoric fueled fad that he was theorized to be.

    Averages out to be a 1.1, which if my memory of college serves me means Obama gets from me thus far a:

    D

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    I gave him a B-. His foreign policy has been very good and balanced. His domestic policy has been acceptable, but I fear that he will increase taxes instead of reduce spending. For instance his health care policy isn't changing the fact that the the health care spending is too high and will be even higher with the new changes. I also think he should take more distance from Europe. It seems like he prefers Europe over the US.
    Last edited by Camlon; 12-15-09 at 03:18 PM.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    My question is would he give him self a high grade if he new he would not be hit for it










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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    If B+ had been an option I would have given Obama a B+ instead of an A.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

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    Quote Originally Posted by idk View Post
    You're assigning a decade long trend in American popularity to what's happened in less than one year? That's hilarious. Obama is wildly popular overseas, whether or not that's warranted is another matter.
    I'm not assigning anything, I fully understand that those dictatorships were problems, what I am assigning to him is blame for softening up our admittedly weak response even further, to potentially catastrophic levels. And Obama does not poll well overseas, as a matter of fact, he's viewed as rather weak among allies and enemies alike.

    Aside from that, the international cancers that are the N Korean and Iranian governments date back 30+ years,
    Further than that, N.Korea is a failing of the 50's, and Iran is Jimmy Carter's baby, the big problem IS that Obama is returning to the political tactics that allowed those cancers to be born initially.
    but the recent diplomatic failures concerning international nuclear policy are directly attributable to Bush Administration "sanction/guns only" policies.
    Further back than Bush, Clinton had some nuclear flubs with his "nuclear energy" concessions, but it is more than that, N.Korea should have been stamped out during the Korean conflict.


    So the Bush Administration's decision to hand over significant control to international forces is Obama's fault?
    Never said that did I? I am blaming NATO for the failure, however, any decision that Obama makes is now his responsibility.
    How does that make sense?
    I elaborated above.
    Further, how did Obama not inherit two wars? At his inauguration there were 55,000 international troops in Afghanistan. Little more than 34,000 (63%) were American troops. Along with thousands of American civilians coordinating with the effort, how can you possibly argue that he did not inherit this war?
    Inheritance is NOT an excuse, how he handles it is his responsibility, and will be judged accordingly, on his handling of the inheritance he gets a solid D.


    As opposed to what, an endless war policy?
    Endless war is not an option, however neither is leaving a power vacuum in a powderkeg like the middle east, anything short of accomplishing solid goals is unacceptable.


    Right, the president has no influence on monetary policy. The economic collapse was a decade in the making, starting with the Commodities Reform Act of 2000,
    This is incorrect, the president's influence is twofold, he may suggest policy and sign bills, congress sets monetary policy, which is why they possess the "power of the purse". You falsely assign blame to an act in 2k, the housing crisis dates back to the 70's with the creation of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, it was exacerbated by years of willfull ignorance of the shortfalls in these programs, further so by 1990's strongarm tactics to force risky lending, and finally profiteering by companies looking to cash in on the situation.
    The blame is bipartisan and equally applied across socio-economic borders. There's no need for partisanship on this issue.
    This we can agree on.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Gave him a D, though I honestly can't think of any single area where he deserves an A.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Iran and N. Korea are increasingly becomming dangerous, international polling is even worse towards the U.S. than under the Bush or Clinton administrations, etc. I wouldn't call that an international diplomacy win......not that I exactly care about what the international community thinks about U.S. specific issues, but since it seems to be a media focus then it's still a failure.
    international polling is worse? where?

    Not exactly true, in the second term of the Bush administration Afghanistan became a NATO mission, which is why it became a mess, and I wouldn't exactly call the U.S. end of war policy decision making from the Obama end a win.
    true enough that we are sending more troops.

    Which started to boil around '07, which was controlled by? hint, the president does not issue monitary policy, he only suggests or signs ecomomic bills

    i realize the president doesn't issue monetary policy. but the unabashed spending by bush and congress helped put us in this position.

    Sorry, I don't deal in blanket statements, you need to qualify what you think is a "policy failure" and why.
    afghanistan and iraq were both policy failures.
    Last edited by liblady; 12-15-09 at 04:05 PM.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    afghanistan and iraq were both policy failures.
    How was Afghanistan a policy failure?

    Do you mean the decision to go in there, or how that decision was handled?

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    How was Afghanistan a policy failure?

    Do you mean the decision to go in there, or how that decision was handled?
    I think the it was how it was handled myself, by slaking off to go to go after Saddam. I also think them, not making a longer decision on stuff as well.
    Last edited by RyrineaHaruno; 12-15-09 at 04:10 PM.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    How was Afghanistan a policy failure?

    Do you mean the decision to go in there, or how that decision was handled?
    how the decision was handled, certainly. i think on both fronts our gov't had no frickin clue what they were getting into.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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