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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    In that case, grade Obama accordingly. My post detailed the pros and cons of why I thought Obama was worth an A-. You disagree? Post your own grade and outline the reasons for it.





    You could, except that I made no outline of political action, only what I wanted to see more of policy-wise. In addition, need I remind you that you took issue with my liberal position in the first place, and by making the statement "More liberal? Don't you guys care about what the rest of America likes? We're a center-right nation, and Obama is already starting to alienate independents and moderates, and don't expect a Tea Party-Party to take votes away from the GOP, because, according to liberals, the Tea-party IS the GOP..." - you'll excuse me if I find your belief that you are somehow more 'socially liberal' than myself a bit suspect.
    I don't have a problem with your grade. I was just making a general statement about your policy goals in general, though I may have read into your words a little more than was necessary...

    My personal grade for Obama would vary upon the perspective I assume; purely ideologically speaking, I would give him an F, and say that he's an abomination of a President for many reasons; looking at it from a "pragmatic" perspective, I would give him a solid C; the status quo is still pretty much in place and in tact.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    ECONOMY: Reappointing Bernanke is the best thing he's done on this front. The stimulus package was good, although it should have been bigger. But that's not really Obama's fault...more Congress' fault. The bailouts have had hits and misses...more hits than misses. Most of the banks have already repaid their TARP loans with interest and are actually set to turn a profit for the year. Aside from the gratuitous bailouts to the UAW (err, I mean GM, Chrysler, and GMAC), he generally did a pretty good job. He has spoken favorably about continuing to allow small businesses to expense their capital expenditures when they're paying their taxes, which is a good sign. Economy grade: A-

    FOREIGN POLICY: He's generally been pretty good. Certainly better than Bush, but then, that isn't setting the bar very high. Beginning the withdrawal process from Iraq is a step in the right direction, as is scrapping the missile defense system in Eastern Europe and trying to improve relations with Russia. I'm very skeptical about his Afghanistan strategy...frankly I agree with the warhawks who criticize him for wanting to pull the troops out as soon as they get there. If we're going to have a surge, let's surge. If his heart isn't in it, then let's just come home. I have a BIG problem with sending troops to die for no good reason. On Gitmo, progress has been slow but nevertheless progress has been made. I also give Obama a lot of credit for not getting too deeply involved in the Iranian election mess last summer, when he was under incredible pressure to do so. I would like to see him offer enthusiastic support to our pending trade agreements with Panama, Colombia, and South Korea...so far, he's been disappointing on that front. Foreign policy grade: B

    HEALTH CARE: This has been a mess. I realize that it isn't entirely Obama's fault, as the Democrats have exactly 60 votes (if Lieberman even counts) and almost all of the Republicans have chosen total opposition instead of constructive negotiation. However, Obama should have set the tone of the debate earlier. In his efforts not to repeat the Clintons' mistakes, he went overboard in the other direction by basically letting Congress do whatever they want. Health care grade: C+

    Overall, I'd give Obama's first year in office a B.
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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    ECONOMY: Reappointing Bernanke is the best thing he's done on this front. The stimulus package was good, although it should have been bigger. But that's not really Obama's fault...more Congress' fault. The bailouts have had hits and misses...more hits than misses. Most of the banks have already repaid their TARP loans with interest and are actually set to turn a profit for the year. Aside from the gratuitous bailouts to the UAW (err, I mean GM, Chrysler, and GMAC), he generally did a pretty good job. He has spoken favorably about continuing to allow small businesses to expense their capital expenditures when they're paying their taxes, which is a good sign. Economy grade: A-

    FOREIGN POLICY: He's generally been pretty good. Certainly better than Bush, but then, that isn't setting the bar very high. Beginning the withdrawal process from Iraq is a step in the right direction, as is scrapping the missile defense system in Eastern Europe and trying to improve relations with Russia. I'm very skeptical about his Afghanistan strategy...frankly I agree with the warhawks who criticize him for wanting to pull the troops out as soon as they get there. If we're going to have a surge, let's surge. If his heart isn't in it, then let's just come home. I have a BIG problem with sending troops to die for no good reason. On Gitmo, progress has been slow but nevertheless progress has been made. I also give Obama a lot of credit for not getting too deeply involved in the Iranian election mess last summer, when he was under incredible pressure to do so. I would like to see him offer enthusiastic support to our pending trade agreements with Panama, Colombia, and South Korea...so far, he's been disappointing on that front. Foreign policy grade: B

    HEALTH CARE: This has been a mess. I realize that it isn't entirely Obama's fault, as the Democrats have exactly 60 votes (if Lieberman even counts) and almost all of the Republicans have chosen total opposition instead of constructive negotiation. However, Obama should have set the tone of the debate earlier. In his efforts not to repeat the Clintons' mistakes, he went overboard in the other direction by basically letting Congress do whatever they want. Health care grade: C+

    Overall, I'd give Obama's first year in office a B.
    That's a pretty good synopsis.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    ECONOMY: Reappointing Bernanke is the best thing he's done on this front. The stimulus package was good, although it should have been bigger. But that's not really Obama's fault...more Congress' fault. The bailouts have had hits and misses...more hits than misses. Most of the banks have already repaid their TARP loans with interest and are actually set to turn a profit for the year. Aside from the gratuitous bailouts to the UAW (err, I mean GM, Chrysler, and GMAC), he generally did a pretty good job. He has spoken favorably about continuing to allow small businesses to expense their capital expenditures when they're paying their taxes, which is a good sign. Economy grade: A-


    With jobless around 10% with actual around 17% did you factor that into your A-?




    FOREIGN POLICY: He's generally been pretty good. Certainly better than Bush, but then, that isn't setting the bar very high. Beginning the withdrawal process from Iraq is a step in the right direction, as is scrapping the missile defense system in Eastern Europe and trying to improve relations with Russia. I'm very skeptical about his Afghanistan strategy...frankly I agree with the warhawks who criticize him for wanting to pull the troops out as soon as they get there. If we're going to have a surge, let's surge. If his heart isn't in it, then let's just come home. I have a BIG problem with sending troops to die for no good reason. On Gitmo, progress has been slow but nevertheless progress has been made. I also give Obama a lot of credit for not getting too deeply involved in the Iranian election mess last summer, when he was under incredible pressure to do so. I would like to see him offer enthusiastic support to our pending trade agreements with Panama, Colombia, and South Korea...so far, he's been disappointing on that front. Foreign policy grade: B

    You grade easy my friend....




    HEALTH CARE: This has been a mess. I realize that it isn't entirely Obama's fault, as the Democrats have exactly 60 votes (if Lieberman even counts) and almost all of the Republicans have chosen total opposition instead of constructive negotiation. However, Obama should have set the tone of the debate earlier. In his efforts not to repeat the Clintons' mistakes, he went overboard in the other direction by basically letting Congress do whatever they want. Health care grade: C+

    Overall, I'd give Obama's first year in office a B.


    this sounds like less than a C+ to me... but your grade.
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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    HEALTH CARE: This has been a mess. I realize that it isn't entirely Obama's fault, as the Democrats have exactly 60 votes (if Lieberman even counts) and almost all of the Republicans have chosen total opposition instead of constructive negotiation. However, Obama should have set the tone of the debate earlier. In his efforts not to repeat the Clintons' mistakes, he went overboard in the other direction by basically letting Congress do whatever they want. Health care grade: C+

    Overall, I'd give Obama's first year in office a B.
    how the **** are the REpublicans supposed to be involved when they can not even get in the door?

    also guess you missed all the republican ideas that would not cost a dime and would only take a few pages to write
    how about writing across state lines
    taking it with you when you change jobs
    eliminate pre-existing conditions
    tort reform
    etc...

    just because you are not listening, does not mean alternatives are not being proposed. You sound like Reid *fingers in ears* lalalallaalalalal

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    With jobless around 10% with actual around 17% did you factor that into your A-?
    wtf are you talking about? because he rushed through the stimulus unemployment did not go above 8%
    thank god for the Messiah. we must eliminate presidential term limits

    /sarcasm

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    With jobless around 10% with actual around 17% did you factor that into your A-?
    U6 is not a measure to go by entirely. As far as labeling it actual.... well that's really pushing it!

    * U1: Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.
    * U2: Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work.
    * U3: Official unemployment rate per ILO definition.
    * U4: U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them.
    * U5: U4 + other "marginally attached workers", or "loosely attached workers", or those who "would like" and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.
    * U6: U5 + Part time workers who want to work full time, but cannot due to economic reasons.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemploymenthttp://
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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    U6 is not a measure to go by entirely. As far as labeling it actual.... well that's really pushing it!



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemploymenthttp://
    people piss and moan about how people can not support a family on minimum wage.
    Well how the hell is one supposed to raise a family only working a part time job, which if it is not minimum wage is surely damn close to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    With jobless around 10% with actual around 17% did you factor that into your A-?
    No. I didn't really grade him on the state of the economy, but more in terms of how he's responded to it. After all, it's not like unemployment is high because of Obama.
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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    how the **** are the REpublicans supposed to be involved when they can not even get in the door?
    They've chosen to not be a part of the debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH
    also guess you missed all the republican ideas that would not cost a dime and would only take a few pages to write
    I'm not talking about a few token ideas that Republicans have advocated so that they can say they have an alternative. Where are the enthusiastic proponents of these ideas, and why didn't they seriously try to implement any of them when they had the White House and Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH
    how about writing across state lines
    taking it with you when you change jobs
    eliminate pre-existing conditions
    tort reform
    etc...
    A public option would also allow more portability across states/jobs, so that is not exclusively the domain of Republicans. Nor is eliminating preexisting conditions; I've yet to see a serious health care reform proposal that DIDN'T do that.

    Tort reform is certainly a good idea as well, but it's hardly an alternative plan by itself. The effect of tort reform alone would be pretty small. At any rate, the Republicans don't seem particularly interested in getting some version of ANY of these ideas into the health care reform bill.
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