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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Hey Tiger... is that you?

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    And yet, it is you - not I - who leaped into this thread taking issue with my position, that I personally believe Barack Obama needs to be more socially liberal.
    I was speaking to liberalism in general. The left has this desire to rapidly usher in liberal policies, both social and economic, regardless of how anyone else feels about them. Even if I agreed with some of Obama's liberal social policies, I don't agree with the manner in which he seeks to implement them; quick, fast, and in a hurry with as little discussion as possible. I don't feel comfortable making rapid alterations to our social fabric, even if I agree with the ends they are seeking.

    If you are as socially liberal ('probably' moreso than me, as you claim) I seriously doubt you would have quoted my post and given a lame attempt at dimantling it. It is more likely that you would have at least agreed with something that I wrote, or at least sympathized with the positions. In addition, you felt the need to add 'spare me the partisan talking points'. Since my 'talking points' (your words) were unabashedly liberal, perhaps we can dispense with the smokescreening altogether. If you are truly more socially liberal than me, feel free to illustrate where exactly you are. Gay marriage? Don't Ask Don't Tell? Where, exactly, are you more socially liberal than myself?
    I don't support state-sanctioned marriages, period.

    I don't see DADT as a social issue.

    I support the full legalization of drugs and prostitution.

    I believe in the separation between Church and State.

    I dunno, anything else?

    Feel free to use my quotes in this thread or any other to show me where you are 'probably moreso' socially liberal than me.
    I wouldn't be surprised if I was, which is why your reference to conservative rhetoric is off the mark.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I don't support state-sanctioned marriages, period.

    I believe in the separation between Church and State.
    Then how do we recognize religious marriages and grant marriages on a non-religious basis? And let's just discuss this without witty semantics, take marriage to equal civil-union and vice versa in this case.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Then how do we recognize religious marriages and grant marriages on a non-religious basis? And let's just discuss this without witty semantics, take marriage to equal civil-union and vice versa in this case.
    People may enter into whatever contracts they wish. If they want to call that contract a "marriage" or a "civil union" then what the hell do I care?

    Gay, straight, polygamous...whatever.

    Just don't expect the government to validate your lifestyle by institutionalizing it.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    People may enter into whatever contracts they wish. If they want to call that contract a "marriage" or a "civil union" then what the hell do I care?

    Gay, straight, polygamous...whatever.

    Just don't expect the government to validate your lifestyle by institutionalizing it.
    Fair enough. But on the same not they shouldn't restrict anyone's lifestyle so long as it doesn't impose on others' lifestyles as well.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I was speaking to liberalism in general. The left has this desire to rapidly usher in liberal policies, both social and economic, regardless of how anyone else feels about them. Even if I agreed with some of Obama's liberal social policies, I don't agree with the manner in which he seeks to implement them; quick, fast, and in a hurry with as little discussion as possible. I don't feel comfortable making rapid alterations to our social fabric, even if I agree with the ends they are seeking.
    Ahh, but see, I never anything about the haste of these policies, only that I want the liberal push towards them. And given that you leaped in with the commentary "liberal this" and "liberal that", I highly doubt that you are content with merely waiting to institute liberal social policy on a more laid-back scale. No, I think you have problems with liberal policy to begin with, otherwise you wouldn't have quoted and attempted a dismantle of my post.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if I was, which is why your reference to conservative rhetoric is off the mark.
    And yet, the fact remains that you did have a problem with my grade of Obama; furthermore, you went on to further attempt a rebuttal against my liberal position. No, I think you're against liberal social policy for the most part, not the speed at which it is being implemented. Otherwise you wouldn't have taken issue with my post, or started in with the 'liberal this' or 'liberal that'.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Ahh, but see, I never anything about the haste of these policies, only that I want the liberal push towards them. And given that you leaped in with the commentary "liberal this" and "liberal that", I highly doubt that you are content with merely waiting to institute liberal social policy on a more laid-back scale. No, I think you have problems with liberal policy to begin with, otherwise you wouldn't have quoted and attempted a dismantle of my post.
    I was speaking generally about liberal agendas, social and economic; the latter being the most troubling to me.

    And yet, the fact remains that you did have a problem with my grade of Obama; furthermore, you went on to further attempt a rebuttal against my liberal position. No, I think you're against liberal social policy for the most part, not the speed at which it is being implemented. Otherwise you wouldn't have taken issue with my post, or started in with the 'liberal this' or 'liberal that'.
    What liberal social policies would I be against

    Couldn't I just take issue with your general idea of political action?

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    B-

    I had major issues with his health care ideas and stimulus plan.... And i mean major. But none the less we are doing better.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I was speaking generally about liberal agendas, social and economic; the latter being the most troubling to me.
    In that case, grade Obama accordingly. My post detailed the pros and cons of why I thought Obama was worth an A-. You disagree? Post your own grade and outline the reasons for it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    What liberal social policies would I be against

    Couldn't I just take issue with your general idea of political action?
    You could, except that I made no outline of political action, only what I wanted to see more of policy-wise. In addition, need I remind you that you took issue with my liberal position in the first place, and by making the statement "More liberal? Don't you guys care about what the rest of America likes? We're a center-right nation, and Obama is already starting to alienate independents and moderates, and don't expect a Tea Party-Party to take votes away from the GOP, because, according to liberals, the Tea-party IS the GOP..." - you'll excuse me if I find your belief that you are somehow more 'socially liberal' than myself a bit suspect.
    Last edited by Singularity; 12-17-09 at 01:52 AM.

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    Re: Grade Obama so far!

    He gets a few points off just for allowing Rev. RicKKK Warren to speak at his inauguration.

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