View Poll Results: Who does the US political system serve?

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  • Themselves.

    28 30.43%
  • Career politicians.

    41 44.57%
  • The parties, its a dogfight. Democracy and the people the victims.

    22 23.91%
  • Corporate America.

    66 71.74%
  • The military industrial complex.

    28 30.43%
  • The nation

    14 15.22%
  • The people. (I did not really read the other options)

    4 4.35%
  • The people. (I read the other options)

    30 32.61%
  • Corruption.

    27 29.35%
  • Some other option.. (Explain it)

    11 11.96%
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    Re: Who does the American political system serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frodly View Post
    I disagree. It does everything it can to hinder people from seeing it, by setting up the me vs them mentality, and convincing people that there is actually a difference in the actions of the 2 parties(the rhetoric of course, the actions, not so much). But apparently you see it. I see it. Everyone else can too. That does not mean they will, I know that they won't.
    But there is nothing we can do, is there?

    The problem with two parties or even multi parties,(which are increasingly becoming two sided alliances), is that most of their policies are the same, and there is no alternative other than 90% of the same policies of the other party/side.

    But what can we do about that? The two party system and democracy is just a way to legitimize corruption and dysfunction, most people cant see beyond it.
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    Re: Who does the American political system serve?

    The American political system serves those who choose to participate.
    The service quality improves when the degree and intensity of participation increases.
    Voting is good, but not enough.
    Most entries on the INTERNET are, IMO, a waste of time.
    Our ability to read,write, and speak must be improved and up-graded.
    Other for me; the so-called choices are too controlling...many are outright stupid.

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    Re: Who does the American political system serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    1) Probably mostly the media. Media owners, media leadership, editors, journalists, reporters and so fourth.

    On the other hand, it is invalid to not mention money. Money has a major influence, and most of the time when someone is elected, the rich and the corporations, special interests and so fourth are also selecting/electing politicians.

    The people are tools, the people are made to believe they rule, and that is the beauty of democracy. It pains to the people the image they want to see, while the reality is different. What better front is there on corruption then the pre-emptive notion that democracy "means that people are in power". While in reality, they are not.

    2) The media I would say, but if political scandals they almost have an obligation to report. So in praxis it is the politicias who resign. The people havent thrown a politician out of office in the US to my knowledge. I am probably wrong. But I cannot think of any case where an overwhelming mob/demonstrations have thrown a politician out of office by surpassing the police and washinton security. I cannot remember to ever have read about something like that in modern American history. It probably have happened in America prior to 1850.


    No, but reality makes it a bad system.
    I see the strenghts of all systems, including communism in China for example.

    Americans tend to watch capitalis democracy as the only option. American politics and governance is becoming dogmatic, and always curses other ideas such a socialism or communism or any other alternatives, even as democracy in America is not only corrupted but rotten from the core out.
    So the media is some monolithic group? I see no evidence of this. The large media conglomerates are too large, and too much of the media is owned by too few people, but to say it is a single force is a vast oversimplification.

    The next problem is you fail to understand the importance of the internets as a tool for gathering information, one that is used by an increasingly large number of people, and is far from monolithic. My grandmother, at over 90 before she died, would forward me emails full of(usually false) political information.

    You have this idea that you are smarter than every one else, but there is no evidence of this. People love to talk about how dumb normal people are, but far too often, this is simple an exercise to make themselves feel good.
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    Re: Who does the American political system serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So the media is some monolithic group? I see no evidence of this. The large media conglomerates are too large, and too much of the media is owned by too few people, but to say it is a single force is a vast oversimplification.

    The next problem is you fail to understand the importance of the internets as a tool for gathering information, one that is used by an increasingly large number of people, and is far from monolithic. My grandmother, at over 90 before she died, would forward me emails full of(usually false) political information.

    You have this idea that you are smarter than every one else, but there is no evidence of this. People love to talk about how dumb normal people are, but far too often, this is simple an exercise to make themselves feel good.
    I think Max can be quite intelligent, if he would allow himself to be.
    He has a maturity age of a pre-teen-ager...but may be in his late teens or early 20s, at best.
    Youngsters(I was one once) have a tendency to be intolerant and to think they possess greater intellect.
    Gathering political info is similar to harvesting a crop of wheat from a field that was never "de-weeded", but its much more difficult ..Some weeds are more nutritious than the wheat, other weeds are poisonous..
    Thank goodness for PBS...and our government.

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    Re: Who does the American political system serve?

    I selected the people, and corporate America, even though the second one isn't an accurate reflection of what I was thinking. The military-industrial complex includes corporate America but not just that. Centrally, the government is a polyarchy. I think it used to serve the people a lot more than it currently does. I wish "the banks" was an option in your poll because I think that would be the most accurate.

    Politicians mostly serve to passify the people at this point, while doing other things. Not all of them mind you, but a lot of them. Neo-liberalism has really seeped into the modern face of politics.

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    Re: Who does the American political system serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    Our nation is pretty corrupt but what happens is that people don't see it or most likely don't care.

    But really how can a man with a white tiger be full of hatred?
    He did burn the American flag, an example of hatred.
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    Re: Who does the American political system serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    It doesnt measure real corruption. It doesnt take into consideration the corruption surrounding elections for example. It doesnt cover actual corruption. Nor does it cover corruption that is not yet considered corruption. And again, Wikipedia is a lame source.
    But if one agrees with Wikipedia, it becomes a great source.
    Its probably impossible to measure this corruption in all honesty.
    And how this possibily be done?
    So, the results have limited meaning.
    Note that many of the less corrupt nations have low populations and suffer less from massive immigration and are small in size..
    As I say over and over, we Americans are not perfect as your are, Max.

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    Re: Who does the American political system serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The American political system serves those who choose to participate.
    Really? How big of a difference does it actually make if you vote republican or democrat?

    And how long to being elected president or even congress? Could you even stand a theoretical chance without a fortune?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The service quality improves when the degree and intensity of participation increases.
    Voting is good, but not enough.
    Most entries on the INTERNET are, IMO, a waste of time.
    Our ability to read,write, and speak must be improved and up-graded.
    Other for me; the so-called choices are too controlling...many are outright stupid.
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    Re: Who does the American political system serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So the media is some monolithic group? I see no evidence of this. The large media conglomerates are too large, and too much of the media is owned by too few people, but to say it is a single force is a vast oversimplification.
    Where else do people get the impulse and material to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The next problem is you fail to understand the importance of the internets as a tool for gathering information, one that is used by an increasingly large number of people, and is far from monolithic. My grandmother, at over 90 before she died, would forward me emails full of(usually false) political information.
    Yes, I agree, but the internet is still so small, and most people use it for garbage things like being on phasebook and writing on twitter every tie they fart. Most people dont gather political knowledge on the internet.

    The proof of how small a say internet has in politics, is proven in the fact of how big the republican and democrat party still is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You have this idea that you are smarter than every one else, but there is no evidence of this. People love to talk about how dumb normal people are, but far too often, this is simple an exercise to make themselves feel good.
    Nah, I do not think I am smarter than every one else..
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    Re: Who does the American political system serve?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I think Max can be quite intelligent, if he would allow himself to be.
    He has a maturity age of a pre-teen-ager...but may be in his late teens or early 20s, at best.
    Youngsters(I was one once) have a tendency to be intolerant and to think they possess greater intellect.
    Gathering political info is similar to harvesting a crop of wheat from a field that was never "de-weeded", but its much more difficult ..Some weeds are more nutritious than the wheat, other weeds are poisonous..
    Thank goodness for PBS...and our government.
    Actually, in a lot of cases people give up as they grow older. They dont fight for what is honest anymore, and they stop caring, and just conform with the corruption.

    Just because I am not there, doesnt mean I am a "pre-teenager". I will never give up honesty, I will never conform to the corrupted ways and never give up hope/care.
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