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    Humanitarian intervention: who's framework?

    This is a poll to see which framework people chose for humanitarian intervention. Please post a little something about why you feel that way.

    The thread that is spawning this poll is here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...just-wars.html

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    Re: Humanitarian intervention: who's framework?

    Overseas?....
    Zero henceforth.....

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    Re: Humanitarian intervention: who's framework?

    Humanitarian intervention only by interested core nations of perceived civilizations, as per their natural interests. The larger nations can intervene, police and negotiate with each other in a much more civil manner than their periphery neighbors recently war with each other.

    Anarchic yes, but natural, humane and possible.

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    Re: Humanitarian intervention: who's framework?

    Just so it is clear, my position is that it would be "just" or legitimate for a nation to go to war to stop genocide (strictly as defined under the Convention on Genocide). I do not suggest that a nation's going to war should be mandatory under such circumstances.

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    Re: Humanitarian intervention: who's framework?

    We stay out of it. It's none of our business.

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    Re: Humanitarian intervention: who's framework?

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Just so it is clear, my position is that it would be "just" or legitimate for a nation to go to war to stop genocide (strictly as defined under the Convention on Genocide). I do not suggest that a nation's going to war should be mandatory under such circumstances.
    And I am certainly not saying it is mandatory that a nation go to war either under any circumstances.

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    Re: Humanitarian intervention: who's framework?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    And I am certainly not saying it is mandatory that a nation go to war either under any circumstances.
    I'm familiar with your position, as we have had a rather lengthy discussion. I just wanted to be sure that others understood that the question really concerns whether military intervention under the above circumstances would be legitimate (e.g., it would not constitute aggression). Neither criterion would require a state to intervene militarily.

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    Re: Humanitarian intervention: who's framework?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    We stay out of it. It's none of our business.
    Neither of our positions precludes an isolationist stance. The only question concerns whether military intervention under such circumstances could be legitimate. No state would be compelled to do so even if such basis were legitimate.

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    Re: Humanitarian intervention: who's framework?

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I'm familiar with your position, as we have had a rather lengthy discussion. I just wanted to be sure that others understood that the question really concerns whether military intervention under the above circumstances would be legitimate (e.g., it would not constitute aggression). Neither criterion would require a state to intervene militarily.
    Yes, we did have a lengthy discussion. Thank you for that! I thoroughly enjoyed it. But it seemed we had sussed out the angles so I switched to a poll. Unfortunately, I worded it badly, offered limited options, didn't include a 'never justified' option, and was generally hasty in my objective. Darn it.

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    Re: Humanitarian intervention: who's framework?

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Neither of our positions precludes an isolationist stance. The only question concerns whether military intervention under such circumstances could be legitimate. No state would be compelled to do so even if such basis were legitimate.
    It's not isolationist to stay out of it and it's not legitimate to get involved.

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