Do republicans suppress women and use the bible to do so? - Page 3

Simon W. Moon · 12-06-05, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

We were. But then someone brought up a bible quote about submitting women.

In a less silly vein than my previous comments ...

There're some areas of our daily life where I'm more competent than my wife. Not that she's incompetent or that she hasn't lived on her own and done quite well (cause she has).
There're just some areas where she defers to my judgment. Is that submission of just smart team-play?

Kelzie · 12-06-05, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon

In a less silly vein than my previous comments ...

There're some areas of our daily life where I'm more competent than my wife. Not that she's incompetent or that she hasn't lived on her own and done quite well (cause she has).
There're just some areas where she defers to my judgment. Is that submission of just smart team-play?

I would say that a commandment/rule/whatever it was telling women to submit to their husbands would mean women should be submissive. Would you agree to that or not?

To submit to a more competent source does not mean you are submissive. Always submitting, even if you are more competent, means you are.

Simon W. Moon · 12-06-05, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

I would say that a commandment/rule/whatever it was telling women to submit to their husbands would mean women should be submissive. Would you agree to that or not?

It would seem that way. However, I'm clear on what the practical implications of "submissive" are. I don't see where it would necessarily mean that a woman should lower here eyes at all times and never speak unless spoken to.

Kelzie · 12-06-05, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon

It would seem that way. However, I'm clear on what the practical implications of "submissive" are. I don't see where it would necessarily mean that a woman should lower here eyes at all times and never speak unless spoken to.

That's not the problem at all. A husband could say "Woman, I want you to raise your eyes and speak all the time". If she was supposed to submit to her husband, she would do it. It's the act of not thinking for yourself and not making your own decisions when you are capable, but instead relying on someone else to constantly make them for you, that is the problem.

Simon W. Moon · 12-06-05, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

That's not the problem at all. A husband could say "Woman, I want you to raise your eyes and speak all the time". If she was supposed to submit to her husband, she would do it. It's the act of not thinking for yourself and not making your own decisions when you are capable, but instead relying on someone else to constantly make them for you, that is the problem.

So you see the passage as directing women to not think for themselves and not make their own decisions and to rely on someone else to constantly make them for her?

Kelzie · 12-06-05, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon

So you see the passage as directing women to not think for themselves and not make their own decisions and to rely on someone else to constantly make them for her?

What else can a command from god telling women to submit to men mean? A man theoretically could say "make your own decision" but then she would only be doing it because he gave her permission. He could just as easily take it back the next day.

Simon W. Moon · 12-06-05, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

What else can a command from god telling women to submit to men mean?

It wasn't "to men," it was to a husband.
Second, I'm not a biblical scholar. Who knows what all else it could mean.

Kelzie · 12-06-05, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon

It wasn't "to men," it was to a husband.
Second, I'm not a biblical scholar. Who knows what all else it could mean.

The subject doesn't change anything. It could be to a llama and I would still have a problem with it.

I'm not going to guess on other possible meanings. I was provided with a quote, and I have illustrated my issues with that way of thinking. I can do nothing more.

SKILMATIC · 12-06-05, 04:10 PM

I am sorry that you dont like it kelzie but reality is reality maybe someday you will see it. The vast majority of foreign women are suppressed and subservient. This is due to their cultures. We are the only country in the world with as many womens rights and equality. I would encourage you to just go south of the border as women down there are subservient to men and are treated like objects of pleasure(for the most part). Women are also suppressed insurmountably in the workplace. Hell, the muslim world is even worse. Also China which is 1/4 the worlds population suppresses their women insurmountably as well. I mean they are like slaves to their men there. So again, please look at reality and not what you would like to see.

Kelzie · 12-06-05, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

I am sorry that you dont like it kelzie but reality is reality maybe someday you will see it. The vast majority of foreign women are suppressed and subservient. This is due to their cultures. We are the only country in the world with as many womens rights and equality. I would encourage you to just go south of the border as women down there are subservient to men and are treated like objects of pleasure(for the most part). Women are also suppressed insurmountably in the workplace. Hell, the muslim world is even worse. Also China which is 1/4 the worlds population suppresses their women insurmountably as well. I mean they are like slaves to their men there. So again, please look at reality and not what you would like to see.

PROVE IT. I can say that most men are raving lunatics but it doesn't mean a god damn thing. If you can't back up that most of the women in the world are submissive than don't say it.