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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    It isn't always based on ignorance. I have already mentioned one line of thinking from an evolutionary point of view. And there are some well-informed people who still agree with Abraham Lincoln:
    The science of genetics did not exist in Lincoln's time, nor were there very many interracial marriages. There is no reason why the races can't live together on terms of social and political equality. the only thing that can prevent them from doing so is racism itself. Racism can only control human affairs in a vacuum of knowledge.
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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The science of genetics did not exist in Lincoln's time, nor were there very many interracial marriages. There is no reason why the races can't live together on terms of social and political equality. the only thing that can prevent them from doing so is racism itself. Racism can only control human affairs in a vacuum of knowledge.
    The existence of racism prevents equality, and a lack of equality justifies racism. So racism justifies itself.
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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So? What's wrong with intolerance every once in a while?
    Nothing. that's why I'm tolerant of racists.

    I just have a personal value regarding tolerance. If someone were to confide in me that they had racist views, I wouldn't judge them for it. I would seek to find out why they hold those views and then work with them to find out if they want to change those views.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    But racism is based on ignorance. Should we be tolerant of ignorance, or try to educate those who don't know?
    If they aren't taking actions based on their racism, the only way I could know about their views is if they simply stated them with no other goal except to share the information.

    For example: Someone could make the statement "I think X race is inferior to Y race". that in and of itself is in no way offensive to me. It's just a statement of their beliefs.

    To me, it is identical to saying "I think pizza from local restaurants is inferior to Pizza Hut Pizza".

    Its an opinion statement. I may disagree with someone about the pizza, but I would not be intolerant of them. I would share my own opinions in teh hopes that they might change theirs of their own volition, but I would not forcefully "educate" them.

    But if someone said "Pizza Hut is the superior pizza, and all other pizza places should be closed down" they are now arguing that specific actions should be taken because of their belief which I disagree with. That is when it ceases to be just a belief, and starts to become an oppressive behavior.

    I do not tolerate those behaviors.

    Even in myself (especially within myself, perhaps).

    If I say something like "Racists are ignorant, and they need to be educated" I'm engaging in the very same oppressive behaviors which I reject.

    If the first example, where beliefs are shared without oppressive actions being advocated, I am in a sharing relationship with the person in question. I am not judging them as a person for their beliefs.

    In the second situation, where oppressive actions are being advocated, I am judging the behaviors of the person as intolerable. In order to remain internally consistent, I must take the same stance regarding my own behaviors.

    This is simply my worldview. I neither expect nor require others to conform to it. I welcome a rejection of my principles from others. I don't think everyone should be confined to my own choices.

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I hate that definition.

    I think racism is simply prejudging someone based on race. Nothing to do with superiority and all that.
    Well i'm sorry I didn't take the definition from the Misterman-Webster Dictionary. My apologies.

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    So, obviously you think darfur is an intelligent society then.
    Tell me how you came to that conclusion.


    Note: I didn't reference any specific cultures.


    Ok...GO!

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Nothing. that's why I'm tolerant of racists.

    I just have a personal value regarding tolerance. If someone were to confide in me that they had racist views, I wouldn't judge them for it. I would seek to find out why they hold those views and then work with them to find out if they want to change those views.
    Again, that reflects a difference between racist thoughts and racist actions.

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    So, obviously you think darfur is an intelligent society then.
    Not neccessarily, but it might seem intelligent to Amazonian Indians....

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Well i'm sorry I didn't take the definition from the Misterman-Webster Dictionary. My apologies.
    I'm just saying I disagree with it. I can disagree with a dictionary if I want to. Dictionaries aren't perfect and they aren't absolute either.

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I'm just saying I disagree with it. I can disagree with a dictionary if I want to. Dictionaries aren't perfect and they aren't absolute either.

    Yes, but when a respected and popular dictionary puts out a definition it's usually a good idea to consider that the right definition.


    Racism is discrimination based on race. Really nothing more to it. Bigotry and Prejudice have their own definitions too, so we have to apply them correctly because if everyone said..."Eh I disagree with that definition" then what's the point in even having a dictionary? Instead of disagreeing with a definition, how about finding a more proper word that fits what you're thinking about?

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Tell me how you came to that conclusion.


    Note: I didn't reference any specific cultures.


    Ok...GO!
    When we debate something with no universally accepted definition of what that something means, then we get conclusions that are not comprehensible to most of the readers. Have you read any discussions of liberal vs. conservative? Now, there are terms with conflicting definitions.
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