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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Yet you replied as if you hadn't. You stated...


    "And slavery was racism long before then. How do you think the keeping of fellow humans, specifically black Africans as property was justified?"

    Those 450 words prior to "Nazi" state exactly the answer to your question.
    The Atlantic Slave Trade happened centuries before the 3rd Reich, as you said yourself. I must have misunderstood something, my mistake.

    In the manner in which we define racism today it most certainly does. Today's "racism" became a phenomena circa the Atlantic Slave Trade. before this, slaves were merely the poor or the captured of any color. "My" very brief list explains this.
    No, your list does not "explain" this, it does not even mention an example of "the poor" being enslaved.
    And the definition of race is not limited to colour, as I already pointed out.

    I stated nothing about Jews being the only considered "inferior" race to the German. What I stated was that it was the Jewish part of the slave labor that personified the racism. This was true for centuries inside Europe and the Nazi Party was its culmination.
    You implied so, by saying gays and the handicapped are not races when I pointed out Jews weren't the only 'race' considered inferior by the Nazis.



    No idea where you are coming from. It's actually pretty simple. Slaves are historical. Looking down upon others for their tribe, affiliation, or class status is historical. But "racism" is a fairly new concept and it has its roots in the Atlantic Slave Trade, which by that time, the slave identity was considered a dark skinned position. Long gone was the concept that captured whites were to be slaves (except in that extremely rare occasion).
    Racism based on a systematic classification is fairly new.
    Distinctions in which groups of people are suitable as slaves arguably began with Islam, which prohibited enslaving fellow believers - we agree there.
    Last edited by roderic; 12-19-09 at 04:23 AM.

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    Racism based on a systematic classification is fairly new.
    Distinctions in which groups of people are suitable as slaves arguably began with Islam, which prohibited enslaving fellow believers - we agree there.


    I don't know about that, I'm pretty sure civilizations prior to Islam had codes relating to who you could and couldn't enslave, if that's even similar to what you are mentioning. I could be off in la-la land here...

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I don't know about that, I'm pretty sure civilizations prior to Islam had codes relating to who you could and couldn't enslave, if that's even similar to what you are mentioning. I could be off in la-la land here...
    It was the Middle East that started this. Because of the Islamic faith and the Qu'ran, all Christians and Jews (People of the Book) were to be protected from slavery. This left the native non-converted African. Slave exportation of Black Africans soared during this period and thus the identity of the slave around the world was dark skinned people from Africa.

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    It was the Middle East that started this. Because of the Islamic faith and the Qu'ran, all Christians and Jews (People of the Book) were to be protected from slavery. This left the native non-converted African. Slave exportation of Black Africans soared during this period and thus the identity of the slave around the world was dark skinned people from Africa.
    But determining classes and people's that were not to be enslaved is not a practice that began with Islam.

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    The Atlantic Slave Trade happened centuries before the 3rd Reich, as you said yourself. I must have misunderstood something, my mistake.

    No, your list does not "explain" this, it does not even mention an example of "the poor" being enslaved.
    And the definition of race is not limited to colour, as I already pointed out.

    You implied so, by saying gays and the handicapped are not races when I pointed out Jews weren't the only 'race' considered inferior by the Nazis.



    Racism based on a systematic classification is fairly new.
    Distinctions in which groups of people are suitable as slaves arguably began with Islam, which prohibited enslaving fellow believers - we agree there.
    Racism used to recognize two groups: Our tribe, and everyone else. Come to think of it, things haven't changed all that much.

    As for who may or may not be kept as slaves, I believe that was outlined in the Old Testament, wasn't it?
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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    It was the Middle East that started this. Because of the Islamic faith and the Qu'ran, all Christians and Jews (People of the Book) were to be protected from slavery. This left the native non-converted African. Slave exportation of Black Africans soared during this period and thus the identity of the slave around the world was dark skinned people from Africa.
    In the early years, there were also the Eastern European "pagan" tribes.
    And I don't know what happened in the Far East, did they also have black African slaves? Racism is very much present in Asia, btw, and much of it is directed towards other Asians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Racism used to recognize two groups: Our tribe, and everyone else. Come to think of it, things haven't changed all that much.
    Thanks, that's it in a nutshell.
    "Race" as a concept as we know it may not have existed, but the basic principle is the same.

    As for who may or may not be kept as slaves, I believe that was outlined in the Old Testament, wasn't it?
    I don't know, I understand there are instructions on how to keep slaves, but I have only read excerpts of the OT.

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Racism is an ignorant belief. There is no evidence (and there never has been) that racial genetics such as pigment level play any role in determining a person's human potential. Culture on the other hand does.

    When people claim that blacks in America have less potential because of their education and income levels, they're forgetting that correlation does not imply causation.

    People who grow up in a ghetto culture tend to be less productive members of society, but there is no evidence that skin color has anything to do with it. If a white person grew up in a ghetto, they would be no different than blacks are. And black people who grow up in a better environment are just as productive as whites.

    Racism is so last century.

    BTW, if anything, dark skin is an advantage over lighter skin since it's less substitutable to sunburns and skin cancer.

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Who told them to live in an urban environment?
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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Who told them to live in an urban environment?
    Their moms, of course. "You live in a urban environment, you hear me? Don't you go moving to no suburbs."

    Or, maybe they know the environment they were born into, much as their parents know the same environment.
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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Race is a sociological construct that divides society, especially multiracial societies like the United States and Canada. I think any observation concerning race detracts from national unity, and that discrimination on a racial basis is irrational.

    Racism is the mental defective's version of nationalism.
    Race is not a sociological construct, it is a social construct. Though the rest of your post is not disagreable

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