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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by goobieman View Post
    there are 10 kinds of people in the world.
    Those that get binary, and those that do not.
    010101001111001001110100000111101011110101110!

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman
    So humans have no nature? People don't tend to behave in similar ways?
    Of course people tend to behave in similar ways, but to say that it's due to "human nature" is to say that people are innately programmed to behave in certain ways, which is wrong. You're essentially saying there's a biological basis for it, when no such basis has ever been found. People act in certain ways because they are socially conditioned to act in certain ways, not because it's in their biology to do so.
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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    You've apparently missed several decades of fascinating research in the field of evolutionary psychology.

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Of course people tend to behave in similar ways, but to say that it's due to "human nature" is to say that people are innately programmed to behave in certain ways, which is wrong. You're essentially saying there's a biological basis for it, when no such basis has ever been found. People act in certain ways because they are socially conditioned to act in certain ways, not because it's in their biology to do so.
    People act in socially conditioned ways so they don't act in their naturally programmed ways. It's why we teach things like sharing, being nice, and morality. These things are rarely instinctual.

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    These things are rarely instinctual.
    Humans have social instincts. Far as that goes, we're more inclined to sharing and compassion than, say, chimpanzees... but chimpanzees show signs of the same instincts. The "fair play" primate experiments are probably the most fascinating study in the field of evolutionary psychology to date, at least to me.

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    1+1 = ? is not a moral question.
    I don't see anything in the post that I addressed about a "moral question"... do you?

    Originally Posted by Goobieman
    Apparently. nothing is inherently, universally, right or wrong.
    This would include racism.
    yeah... didn't think so.



    Originally Posted by Tsunami
    Not in binary.

    Originally Posted by misterman
    The man has a point. Nice catch.
    1 + 1 = 2, not 10... sorry. I know that 1st grade was a long time ago,but seriously.
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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    There's nothing wrong with honest assesment of the differences between races, and to an extent it's not even wrong to take pride in one's own race/culture.

    When it becomes racism (and wrong) is when that belief turns to the belief that some races are superior or inferior and should be treated differently.

    I think this definition of racism by George Fredrickson is a good definition, and takes into account the idea you are mentioning.


    It is when differences that might otherwise be considered ethnocultural are regarded as innate, indelible, and unchangeable that a racist attitude or ideology can be said to exist. It finds its clearest expression when the kind of ethnic differences that are firmly rooted in language, customs, and kinship are overridden in the name of an imagined collectivity based on pigmentation, as in white supremacy, or on a linguistically based myth of remote descent from a superior race, as in Aryanism. But racism as I conceive it is not merely an attitude or set of beliefs; it also expresses itself in the practices, institutions, and structures that a sense of deep difference justifies or validates. Racism, therefore, is more than theorizing about human differences or thinking badly of a group over which one has no control. It either directly sustains or proposes to establish a racial order, a permanent group hierarchy that is believed to reflect the laws of nature or the decrees of God. Racism in this sense is neither a given of human social existence, a universal "consciousness of kind," nor simply a modern theory that biology determines history and culture.
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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Humans have social instincts. Far as that goes, we're more inclined to sharing and compassion than, say, chimpanzees... but chimpanzees show signs of the same instincts. The "fair play" primate experiments are probably the most fascinating study in the field of evolutionary psychology to date, at least to me.
    Will that trickle down to Comptom any time soon?.....

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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    This area has always been a Democrat state, but in the last twenty years, it has sunk from Liberalism to Socialism....
    Next stop communism.....
    The influx of Californians was the beginning of the end
    Domestic partner entitlements, gay parades, mollycoddling homeless, every kind of GUBMINT handout & on & on.....
    Co....Uh, King County has become a 'safe haven' for illegals ala San Francisco.....
    Half of India lives in Redmond working as Microserfs....
    Boeing will be gone within 15 years....
    We're headed for the *******.....
    I'd wager the founding fathers are spinning in their graves witnessing how their vision has been perverted......
    ZOMG! Those evil Californians! You gotta be kidding me
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    Re: Is racism wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86
    People act in socially conditioned ways so they don't act in their naturally programmed ways. It's why we teach things like sharing, being nice, and morality. These things are rarely instinctual.
    I agree with your first sentence in that humans do have hard wired instincts and that we have learned to socially condition ourselves to deal with these instincts. However, these instincts don't surpass the most rudimentary forms (fight or flight response, for example), and especially don't encompass higher forms of thought such as greed. Humans have a survival instinct, and the specific effects of this survival instinct will change based on their environment; if they live in a society where cooperation is the predominant mode of survival then they will move towards a cooperative mindset.
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