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    58 45.67%
  • United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

    46 36.22%
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    12 9.45%
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The re-uniting of west and east is massivly underestimated. Imagine getting a huge number of highly educated, highly motivated people into your economy at the same time.
    That's pretty much what always happens here. The US has some of the best Universities of the world and we often absorb many of the world's smartest people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    That has never before happened,
    Maybe not in Europe. Eastern Europe is still relatively f'd up. There can be a lot of potential there, especially if say Russia can establish a true democratic Republic form of government (as opposed to the organized crime controlled one they have now).
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    LOL....shows how much you know. Germany has one of the best army in the world and when compared to that of France. Germany would most likely win the war, however against UK. I'm not too sure. Germany has a very good arsenal. H&K guns are considered the best in the world. And the GSG9 is one of the best special forces in the world and it is being used in Afghanistan. France wouldn't stand a chance against the Germans.

    Russia doesn't have much strength these days, things need to change. I would consider it powerful just because of it's sheer size but with jets the distance becomes much shorter. Russia doesn't have the numbers of modern aircraft or ships to stand a chance against the UK. And in land, the Russians would easily be defeated by the Germans or UK, not the French though! And nukes don't do much good nowadays. No nation on this earth currently can use nukes and get away with it.
    What? That is absurd. The French alongside the UK has a massive military industry. The Germans dont have that. Also the German military is inflexible. The French forces are equally trained as the UK forces, and all have the best of the best, including not only those 3 but also Italy for example.
    France also spends 1/3rd more than Germany, slightly more than the UK. The French forces are in additon professional, while Germany has conscription.
    Even so, the French military forces are about equal in size to that of Germany, whom both are bigger than the UK, while the French have a wider variety of forces types, including the Gendermerie paramilitary force, which are always in training and active standby, being one of the units in the world with most actual experience in a variety of areas.
    The French navy is not as strong as the UK navy, but far better equipped than the German navy.

    Actual military strenght is about equal in the UK and France, while Germany is far behind in actual power, bogged down by inactive military policies since the world war. Italy for example is perhaps stronger militarily than Germany and also feature very highly trained forces and paramilitary units.

    All in all Germany have a superior military potential yes, far stronger than France and the UK, but they arent taking the time, and they dont care to use it. Also in any time of global crisis, the Germans would easily build a strongest military inudstry and train the best troops with the highest motivation. But that isnt how it is now, Germany certainly dont have the strongest military in Europe, its number 3 or 4 when excluding Russia.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The UK is not dependent upon the US. The UK and the US maybe have very friendly relations, but one isn't dependent upon the other. The UK has one of the strongest militaries in Europe. It may not be on the "size" of Germany's, but it's well more advanced. Their political power is probably the highest in Western Europe. The UK holds more influence places other than Europe (yes, it's hard for maybe some of you to understand, there's more than Europe).
    I am just left with one question here.. Where is the UK political influence and what has it resulted in the past 20 years for example?


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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Hence the entire point of European federalism. Its a pipe dream. The EU is a German fantasy.
    Nah, its a European project. All countries are involved, all countries influence it, all countries accept anything the EU does. The EU is a cooperation project between all the nations in the EU.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    Whenever power is mentioned it turns into the "biggest dick" discussion.
    Dammit. We forgot to mention Turkey and military power. It is one of the most powerful militaries in Europe. Perhaps second to Russia, ahead of France/UK and Germany/Italy.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Maybe in my nightmares.

    But no, US would win by a longshot.
    US is a much better place than Europe politically. Besides, it would be open to competition and business. Europe has a deep seated dislike of capitalism and over regulates
    No wonder businesses flee EU.
    Its not all about having the least regulation making the best place. Actually people are quite stupid, and companies dont mind making their profits over the corpses of millions of people. I am happy we have strong regulation in Europe.

    Europe dont dislike capitalism, we love capitalism, its the freest least oppressed market in the world, and by far the biggest and most diverse, and its capitalist!
    But in ADDITION to capitalism we also have socialism, which simply makes Europe much better and fair than America.

    Businesses flee EU? Ridiculous, Europe is becoming the best place in the world for business and its by far the best and most diverse contient of the world for investments. The only businesses that flee are the crooked ones, and they flee to the US and the UK(the people who steal money from honest workers), and China(production slaves with less regulation of labour than Europe). Good f***ing riddance!
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Like it or not, the US is not the most popular nation around even with the election of Obama. The trust lost under Bush will take time to regain.
    Its never going to be regained. It will strengten from how it was under Bush, but it will never become like it was for example in the 90s when Europe just loved everything about America.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I have heard people in France and Germany sit there and over generalize and call Americans blood thirsty (Amusing that it comes from the Germans really)


    So in which year do you live? (where Germans are bloodthirsty).
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's pretty much what always happens here. The US has some of the best Universities of the world and we often absorb many of the world's smartest people.
    Yes, you have the TOP universities, but the average quality is the same as in Europe. Also those people tend to get educated in the US and move away.

    You do have excellent universities, one of the few things I really envy about the US. The way they are organized

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Maybe not in Europe. Eastern Europe is still relatively f'd up. There can be a lot of potential there, especially if say Russia can establish a true democratic Republic form of government (as opposed to the organized crime controlled one they have now).
    I said in all of the world, it has never happened on this scale. Eastern Europe is huge, and they were all integrated into western Europe at the same time, adding to our already massive diversity, and increasing overall motivation, diversity of education, price levels, investment oppertunities and so fourth.

    You keep underestimating regions/countries and people based on GDP.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    None of them are capable of travelling as far as the British isles unlike ours. Plus we have a considerable force in Jersey and if im not mistaken a few launch bases there too. We'd cause unprecedented destruction before they could amass a Navy to travel towards us.
    Jersey? So you basically have no clue on what your are talking about. It is blind nationalism and not factual.

    Im not too sure about the Brits ill have to research on this a bit before i can reply.
    Fine by me.

    Oh come on. The French had a hissy fit and withdrew their membership. What political support do they need? They are just as useless in NATO as they where out. It didnt make a difference to anybody. The US and UK share a strong alliance and thats what i meant. Lets be honest, if the US says "scratch my arse", alot of people do it, and the world inevitably follows.
    Yes exactly, .. the US says jump and the UK jumps.. the rest of Europe asks why?

    Oh come on. Is that your excuse? You must have 24 plus years on me. Everybody knows Denmark folk are small.
    Hardly! Compared to Turks we are freaking giants.
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