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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Ah, UK is seen as the 'black sheep' in Europe.
    I have had arguments with European tourists in London who do not see the British as "European" but more "American" and because of that link, they see fit to try and insult UK.

    I have noticed with every European I have come across that dislike US so much it borders on obsession comes from a feeling of jealousy and envy.
    Europeans know that if they had the same power and influence the United States has, they would be no better. Europe has a much more bloody history but cannot come to terms with being the "little man" in world politics and the newbie country (US) reigns supreme. Its quite pathetic really.
    Like it or not, the US is not the most popular nation around even with the election of Obama. The trust lost under Bush will take time to regain.

    But other than fanatical idiots, no one "hates" the US. People have issues with the US, yes, but that is not hate or being "anti" US in any way.

    But while in the US, France is used as a punching bag by especially right wing pundits, then the US is often used as a punching bag in Europe, and yes even in the UK by people. You have seen the Iraq War Enquiry the last few days right? It is not exactly flattering comments about the US there from UK military and politicians.. Are you going to claim that they are "anti-American's" also? There are also plenty of British who are very critical of the US on every level.

    But what it all boils down to is respect. When people respect each other and what they do and dont go in acting all superior and telling other nations what they should do, then it is all good. Sadly on both sides of the Atlantic there is too much acting "superior and telling the other side what to do" these days and when that does not work we Europeans usually get WW2 thrown in the face over here by the Americans. Guess we should start throwing segregation and their lack of a free market in certain industries into their faces.. /shrug.

    Personally I think the US-UK-EURO relationship is like a typical sibling rivalry. We fight over pathetic things, but when it comes to family then we will stand together as always against any opposition. I have no doubt that if France was attacked by someone, then the US, UK, Germany, Italy, Spain and a host of other countries would come to her defence, just as they did when the US was attacked on 9/11.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    The United States is the most powerful nation in Europe.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    I say its the UK, they have Nukes the Germans have a PTSD.


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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    This entire thread has "HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING" written over it. We are comparing military might. Im fully aware its 2009.
    But but, it is FUN!.. must hurry, World Cup draw soon..
    No we dont, we have far more sub nukes and a much more advanced Sea defence.
    Dont be too sure. The French have double the amount of nukes of the British and they are both landbased and sub based. The French military is often undervalued and under estimated. It has a total military force with reserves and para military forces of over 700k and the Brits dont even have half that. Plus it spends more than the UK on the military last I looked.

    France doesnt even have the political backing the British have, and their nukes cant reach us.
    LOL.. the US has shown you dont need political backing to go to war!! Plus the French had plenty of political backing to pull out of part of NATO for 30+ years

    When the thread "What is the most powerful nation in Europe?" was created.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    I bring forth military strength ranking

    Go to the logistics part: makes you proud to be an American

    edit: France spends more on its military than does China.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Sure, that is why euro-skeptic Conservative politicians go to the US to smear the opposition (and their own party) and the EU.. Why? because they have sympathetic ears over there and not in Europe to spread their lies.
    What lies? You're bitching about proving, things, you've never once proven anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And it was made worse by the high personal debt of the Brits, like that of Americans. Plus the very low saving rate. Sorry but the UK economy had far more likeness to the US than to other European countries.
    And how many countries benefited from that high personal debt? Yes, it was unsustainable. I for one say **** the world, the US should get back to producing for our own. Not carry the debt we once did. But the world wants it the other way.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The UK and US are far more similar than you make it out to be
    No, this just seems to be based in your misconceptions and bigotries. The UK and the US are two very different countries. Maybe Canada and the US are rather similar...kinda. But the UK and the US are fundamentally different.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And the British do not slaughter the English language.. they invented it. And you dare to call me "stuck up" later on.. gezz, talk about arrogance in claiming a language called English over the nation where the language came from..
    It's called tongue-in-cheek. Look it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And you base this on what empirical fact? Are you saying the American made planes, tanks and helicopters in the German military are inferior to that of the British? Are you saying that the jets that the British, French and Germans are making and phasing into their military forces are inferior technology wise in the hands of the French and Germans and when in the hands of the British they are superior all of a sudden?
    The German army can have all the American equipment it wants, that doesn't make it better. You're entire argument was they were bigger and have other people's equipment and that makes them better (BTW, you never proved the German army was better, you just made a argument of number). The British engage in a lot of military operations, if you want a similarity to America they probably engage in the same shady **** my government does. They are better trained, their tech is amazing. Germany has numbers, but an unwillingness to use its military. France has a decent military but doesn't use it.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And you can prove this of course? And see above.
    Can you? Prove your own point before you run around pointing fingers.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Says who? What do you base this on? What is a "dominate" country? I have never said that the UK did not have "power" overseas, just not far superior power than that of Germany or France or the EU.. especially Germany. Germany is just as much a dominant country around the world as the UK, if not more on economic matters and hence political matters that do not require military intervention.
    I base it on international politics. No one deals with the EU, it's pointless and worthless organization doomed to failure. When you think Europe, the UK is the first thing to pop into mind. France holds quite a bit of political sway, but outside of economics Germany doesn't hold much.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    What anti-American stuff? Amazing how you read "anti-American" stuff into everything a non American says remotely about the US.
    No, but your past posts in other threads have well demonstrated your anti-American attitude.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It is much like the US as I have proved. The UK economy is very similar on many fronts to that of the US. High personal unsecured debt, reliance of debt for economic growth, and for the most part the UK backs any and all US economic policies. There are also many cultural links between the UK and US... far more than the UK has with mainland Europe.
    You didn't prove anything, you just made a statement. I gave reasons why it isn't like the US. There's more than just out of control banks to make us similar. There's hardly any cultural link between the UK and the US. The US was made up of people from many nations, not just the UK. Hell, a portion of the US is culturally closer to France. So WTF are you talking about? I think you have an attitude problem toward America and anything you perceive as American-like. And I think you and people like you want desperately to qualify the UK as American-like so you can engage in your hate and bigotry against it. Probably because y'all are jealous about how the UK is treated by the rest of the world, especially when compared to Europe on the whole.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I am stuck up? I am not claiming superiority for my country and its closest ally based on wishful thinking. The facts are very clear, the UK is relatively not as "powerful" in Europe or world wide as Germany and some what France (in Europe at least).
    No, your condescending and full of yourself. To such point that you believe superiority to America and anything you can describe as American-like. Which is where the UK comes in.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And what anti-American feelings? Being critical of the US right is not being "anti-American".. it is being sensible.
    There is critiquing government and policy, and there is what you have a history of doing. You and Maximus whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Again prove it.
    Again, prove your own damned points before demanding it of others.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So you cant prove your points and you result to insults and personal attacks.. nice.. Guess I should start throwing the Indian genocide against you, or how about segregation and slavery?
    It's the truth. So deal with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Define "reliant".
    They didn't have a military for the longest time, and relied heavily on us to protect them. They still don't have a very large military, they purposefully keep it small, and our treaties and agreements make us the protector there. Additionally, much of their current government was constructed under heavy American influence.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    To buy their stuff? Yea, same goes for China and Germany you know.. almost every other country out there that exports.
    The Japanese are voracious consumers. They share many economic similarities with America in terms of consumerism. Yeah, we buy a lot of there stuff. They love American pop culture crap though. We have a good relationship with Japan, it's a cool place with pretty awesome people.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Politically? Not as much as it use to be.. far far from it.
    Militarily, they still are.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Defence? Yep, since Japan is not allowed to have a large military, but that will change soon too I suspect.
    No, they are now allowed to have a large military. They have been allowed to grow their military for some time. They have chosen not to.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    But denying that Japan is not a major political power around the world is frankly the pinnacle of arrogance and stupidity. The amount of money Japan spends around the world to finance everything from humanitarian aid to even the US military operations is considerable. You do know that Germany and Japan contributed 16 billion out of 61 billion dollars to the first Gulf War right?
    When did I say they weren't a world power? Is that an assumption on your part? I said they depend on the US for things. It's true. Most every country has dependence upon the US, especially economically. You blame our large debt, but that large personal debt sustained quite a few European companies.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Like it or not, the US is not the most popular nation around even with the election of Obama. The trust lost under Bush will take time to regain.

    But other than fanatical idiots, no one "hates" the US. People have issues with the US, yes, but that is not hate or being "anti" US in any way.
    Canada is the most popular country in the world. Doesn't mean diddly squat on the world stage.
    Being 'liked' isn't always a option, sometimes it pays to be feared.

    Well then you have a short term memory.
    From the get go, there was a air of superiority many Europeans have which increased after Afghanistan.
    We are the more 'refined, intelligent type'. I have heard people in France and Germany sit there and over generalize and call Americans blood thirsty (Amusing that it comes from the Germans really)

    Europeans usually get WW2 thrown in the face over here by the Americans. Guess we should start throwing segregation and their lack of a free market in certain industries into their faces.. /shrug.
    I have never had WW2 thrown in my face and any case where I do see it thrown in on this board in many cases is when a European (I don't need to name names but we all know who that European is) shouts about not needing US and how violent it is.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Ah, UK is seen as the 'black sheep' in Europe.
    I have had arguments with European tourists in London who do not see the British as "European" but more "American" and because of that link, they see fit to try and insult UK.

    I have noticed with every European I have come across that dislike US so much it borders on obsession comes from a feeling of jealousy and envy.
    Europeans know that if they had the same power and influence the United States has, they would be no better. Europe has a much more bloody history but cannot come to terms with being the "little man" in world politics and the newbie country (US) reigns supreme. Its quite pathetic really.
    Exactly. Some people are so conceited and stuck up that they have to attack anything they perceive as American. They think they'd do such a better job, and are so pissed about it that they can't stand anything they think as American. Somehow, the UK got thrown into the "American" category. But it's probably not due to being more American and more to do with not buying into their tripe.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Dont be too sure. The French have double the amount of nukes of the British and they are both landbased and sub based.
    None of them are capable of travelling as far as the British isles unlike ours. Plus we have a considerable force in Jersey and if im not mistaken a few launch bases there too. We'd cause unprecedented destruction before they could amass a Navy to travel towards us.

    The French military is often undervalued and under estimated. It has a total military force with reserves and para military forces of over 700k and the Brits dont even have half that. Plus it spends more than the UK on the military last I looked.
    Im not too sure about the Brits ill have to research on this a bit before i can reply.



    LOL.. the US has shown you dont need political backing to go to war!! Plus the French had plenty of political backing to pull out of part of NATO for 30+ years
    Oh come on. The French had a hissy fit and withdrew their membership. What political support do they need? They are just as useless in NATO as they where out. It didnt make a difference to anybody. The US and UK share a strong alliance and thats what i meant. Lets be honest, if the US says "scratch my arse", alot of people do it, and the world inevitably follows.



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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Plus the French had plenty of political backing to pull out of part of NATO for 30+ years
    And now it wants to come back.

    For over 30+ years, NATO has gotten along fine without it.

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