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    58 45.67%
  • United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

    46 36.22%
  • Cinquième République de la France (Fifth Republic of France)

    12 9.45%
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    With or without Nukes, the Germans would be hard pressed getting to the UK. Firstly our missiles are far more superior than the Germans. They'd loose alot of men and ships just getting to the UK. Not to mention they lack in the Naval area when compared to Briton. Lastly, if the Nukes where used at sea to take out a nice handful of war and cargo ships, in such an isolated place, i doubt it would be that hard for the British Defence ministry to press the big red button. And, the UK has far better contacts on the international stage; full US backing, something Germany is seriously lacking, especially France.
    Fare enough.....but my money is still on Germany

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Society wise...What!? Do you read what you type or does it all such sorta puke itself out on the keyboard. How the hell is the UK dependent upon the US for society? They're not like us, they're government is too aggressive against the rights and liberties of the individual.

    They have their own politics, they don't need the US. They have their own economy, they don't need the US.
    Sure, that is why euro-skeptic Conservative politicians go to the US to smear the opposition (and their own party) and the EU.. Why? because they have sympathetic ears over there and not in Europe to spread their lies.

    The economic collapse was fueled by their banks buying bad morgages from our banks. The collapse ultimately happened because regulations on the side of the US were relaxed to match those of Europe in terms of banks leveraging. The leverage was not sustainable, and our involvement in it pushed the system over board.
    And it was made worse by the high personal debt of the Brits, like that of Americans. Plus the very low saving rate. Sorry but the UK economy had far more likeness to the US than to other European countries.

    There's not a lot of similarities between the US and the UK, we don't even use the same form of English (the British slaughter the English language). The government is different, the attitudes are different, etc. If the UK was the European US, they'd be a hell of a lot cooler than they actually are.
    The UK and US are far more similar than you make it out to be. And the British do not slaughter the English language.. they invented it. And you dare to call me "stuck up" later on.. gezz, talk about arrogance in claiming a language called English over the nation where the language came from..

    Numbers does not equate into better. The UK has the better military because it is better trained and better armed wit better technology. It could hands down beat the snot out of France or Germany's military. Any day of the week.
    And you base this on what empirical fact? Are you saying the American made planes, tanks and helicopters in the German military are inferior to that of the British? Are you saying that the jets that the British, French and Germans are making and phasing into their military forces are inferior technology wise in the hands of the French and Germans and when in the hands of the British they are superior all of a sudden?

    They may use some of their stuff. Hell, how many countries use US military equipment? A lot. It doesn't make their military better than ours. You get some of the equipment, but not all. The UK military is well more advanced and armed than France or Germany. Sorry, but that's the truth.
    And you can prove this of course? And see above.

    Outside Europe, UK is viewed as the dominate country of Europe and has more political sway with international politics than either France or Germany. All France can do is sell food for oil with Saddam's old regime, and Germany is too busy pretending WW II never happened.
    Says who? What do you base this on? What is a "dominate" country? I have never said that the UK did not have "power" overseas, just not far superior power than that of Germany or France or the EU.. especially Germany. Germany is just as much a dominant country around the world as the UK, if not more on economic matters and hence political matters that do not require military intervention.

    Thank you for proving my point. This is exactly what I said. It's all your anti-American stuff.
    What anti-American stuff? Amazing how you read "anti-American" stuff into everything a non American says remotely about the US.

    You view UK too much like the US (which isn't true), and engage in slander and hatred against them because of it. Man you people are full of yourselves.
    It is much like the US as I have proved. The UK economy is very similar on many fronts to that of the US. High personal unsecured debt, reliance of debt for economic growth, and for the most part the UK backs any and all US economic policies. There are also many cultural links between the UK and US... far more than the UK has with mainland Europe.

    You're so stuck up, you carry these huge anti-American feelings for no reason.
    I am stuck up? I am not claiming superiority for my country and its closest ally based on wishful thinking. The facts are very clear, the UK is relatively not as "powerful" in Europe or world wide as Germany and some what France (in Europe at least).

    And what anti-American feelings? Being critical of the US right is not being "anti-American".. it is being sensible.

    And you carry them to such degree that you'll point your hate at anyone or anything remotely like the United States. It's PATHETIC. And that's fact.
    Again prove it.

    The wise grandfather rounds up Jews and kills them in mass? Man, I'm glad I wasn't part of that family. And Germany wasn't isolated from the economic mess. They based their markets on American consumerism. Which is why they were continually demanding that America continue to buy German crap at the same rate when the economy slowed down initially. This is nothing more than some slanted view based on your BIGOTRY and HATRED. And that too is fact
    So you cant prove your points and you result to insults and personal attacks.. nice.. Guess I should start throwing the Indian genocide against you, or how about segregation and slavery?

    You do know how reliant Japan is on America, right?
    Define "reliant".

    To buy their stuff? Yea, same goes for China and Germany you know.. almost every other country out there that exports.

    Politically? Not as much as it use to be.. far far from it.

    Defence? Yep, since Japan is not allowed to have a large military, but that will change soon too I suspect.

    But denying that Japan is not a major political power around the world is frankly the pinnacle of arrogance and stupidity. The amount of money Japan spends around the world to finance everything from humanitarian aid to even the US military operations is considerable. You do know that Germany and Japan contributed 16 billion out of 61 billion dollars to the first Gulf War right?
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think some of the anti-UK stuff comes from the same anti-US folk who argue against it just to argue against it. And I think this sorta hatred for the UK is rooted in the same sort of thing. There are things about the UK to not like, mostly their laws and Big Brother attitude. But there's no doubting their influence and in terms of global politics other nations listen to the UK before France or Germany. Germany is a powerhouse of production, it's what they do. But politically they're rather weak. And even if they have a large military in numbers, but number doesn't make better.
    Ah, UK is seen as the 'black sheep' in Europe.
    I have had arguments with European tourists in London who do not see the British as "European" but more "American" and because of that link, they see fit to try and insult UK.

    I have noticed with every European I have come across that dislike US so much it borders on obsession comes from a feeling of jealousy and envy.
    Europeans know that if they had the same power and influence the United States has, they would be no better. Europe has a much more bloody history but cannot come to terms with being the "little man" in world politics and the newbie country (US) reigns supreme. Its quite pathetic really.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    With or without Nukes, the Germans would be hard pressed getting to the UK. Firstly our missiles are far more superior than the Germans. They'd loose alot of men and ships just getting to the UK. Not to mention they lack in the Naval area when compared to Briton. Lastly, if the Nukes where used at sea to take out a nice handful of war and cargo ships, in such an isolated place, i doubt it would be that hard for the British Defence ministry to press the big red button. And, the UK has far better contacts on the international stage; full US backing, something Germany is seriously lacking, especially France.
    And why would Germany want to invade the UK?.. you do know we are not in the 1940s any more right?

    As for "missiles".. both countries use basically the same.. American and French.

    If it is nukes.. okay you got Germany beat, but France got you beat by a long shot.

    When did this turn into who has the biggest dick?
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Ah, UK is seen as the 'black sheep' in Europe.
    I have had arguments with European tourists in London who do not see the British as "European" but more "American" and because of that link, they see fit to try and insult UK.

    I have noticed with every European I have come across that dislike US so much it borders on obsession comes from a feeling of jealousy and envy.
    Europeans know that if they had the same power and influence the United States has, they would be no better. Europe has a much more bloody history but cannot come to terms with being the "little man" in world politics and the newbie country (US) reigns supreme. Its quite pathetic really.
    Hence the entire point of European federalism. Its a pipe dream. The EU is a German fantasy.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Hence the entire point of European federalism. Its a pipe dream. The EU is a German fantasy.
    Yes well, Its a freaking illusion swallowed by the stupid and foolish. But then again, this is Europe we are talking about. Did we expect any less?

    If there is a choice between being run by the United States and Europe. I know where mine and the majority of the countries vote would go.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yes well, Its a freaking illusion swallowed by the stupid and foolish. But then again, this is Europe we are talking about. Did we expect any less?

    If there is a choice between being run by the United States and Europe. I know where mine and the majority of the countries vote would go.
    Would it be the EU?

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And why would Germany want to invade the UK?.. you do know we are not in the 1940s any more right?

    As for "missiles".. both countries use basically the same.. American and French.

    If it is nukes.. okay you got Germany beat, but France got you beat by a long shot.

    When did this turn into who has the biggest dick?
    Whenever power is mentioned it turns into the "biggest dick" discussion.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    Would it be the EU?
    Maybe in my nightmares.

    But no, US would win by a longshot.
    US is a much better place than Europe politically. Besides, it would be open to competition and business. Europe has a deep seated dislike of capitalism and over regulates
    No wonder businesses flee EU.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And why would Germany want to invade the UK?.. you do know we are not in the 1940s any more right?
    This entire thread has "HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING" written over it. We are comparing military might. Im fully aware its 2009.

    As for "missiles".. both countries use basically the same.. American and French.
    No we dont, we have far more sub nukes and a much more advanced Sea defence.

    If it is nukes.. okay you got Germany beat, but France got you beat by a long shot.
    France doesnt even have the political backing the British have, and their nukes cant reach us.

    When did this turn into who has the biggest dick?
    When the thread "What is the most powerful nation in Europe?" was created.

    And this isnt about who has the biggest dick otherwise i would have beaten you by a long haul.
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