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    58 45.67%
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    46 36.22%
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    12 9.45%
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    What? The UK have almost no say in the EU. France is the political power, Germany the military power. As long as these two cooperate, the power of the UK is virtually meaningless.

    No UK policies have been implemented in Europe the past 30 years.
    Id say on the world stage it is, though granted the EUSSR is seriously lacking in British say. I thinks changed somewhat with the new British baroness in an important position within the EU.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    Germany has a STRONGER ARMY. It could easily defeat GB if it were 1v1.
    Of course, the German's don't fight. Do they even carry weapons? They are more like the Boy Scouts on a camping trip. The British have recent combat experience.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    France and Germany have both more active military forces than the UK.
    Considering the capability of the British army, aswell as its sea and missile superiority, id say Germany was no match.



    And this just shows hatred towards France based on no facts.

    Frances economy is not in a recession, and was one of the first to come out, and was one of those countries that was in recession the least amount of time. Frances unemployment is lower than the US's and declining last I looked. So saying France's economy "sucks" is wrong. It was not and is not indebted like the US on both the governmental and personal level, and its banks did not go all nutso in risk.
    Turkey didnt even slip into reccession, am i willing to say its economy is therefore more powerful? Its unemployement rate is also lower than that of the UK as it currently stands, it is not indebted, and its bankes didnt go nutso. It doesnt say anything about the country or the figures.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The UK is very dependent on the US. Not only for political backing but also economically and society wise.
    Society wise...What!? Do you read what you type or does it all such sorta puke itself out on the keyboard. How the hell is the UK dependent upon the US for society? They're not like us, they're government is too aggressive against the rights and liberties of the individual.

    They have their own politics, they don't need the US. They have their own economy, they don't need the US.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The UK is nothing but a mini US in Europe in many ways these days. There is far far more similaritis between the US and UK, than with the UK and Europe when it comes to society and including economical. As an example, the credit cruch and crisis. The UK was hit hard because it followed the American model of using debt to finance economic growth. Brits had less personal debt than Americans, but had far far far more than the average European. Now the average Brit has more personal unsecured debt (aka credit card debt) than Americans.
    The economic collapse was fueled by their banks buying bad morgages from our banks. The collapse ultimately happened because regulations on the side of the US were relaxed to match those of Europe in terms of banks leveraging. The leverage was not sustainable, and our involvement in it pushed the system over board.

    There's not a lot of similarities between the US and the UK, we don't even use the same form of English (the British slaughter the English language). The government is different, the attitudes are different, etc. If the UK was the European US, they'd be a hell of a lot cooler than they actually are.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    As for the UK military. It is the smaller of the 3, this is a fact. The only reason it is seen as stronger is because it is used far more actively than the others as it is UK policy to follow the US regardless.
    Numbers does not equate into better. The UK has the better military because it is better trained and better armed wit better technology. It could hands down beat the snot out of France or Germany's military. Any day of the week.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    As for the equipment... hardly. Many of the weapons the Germans and French use, are the same as the British. The Germans use British helicopters and the Brits use German trucks and what not. The difference in equipment is not that big. As for the French, their equipment is often more advanced than the British, relatively speaking, but again much of it is similar.
    They may use some of their stuff. Hell, how many countries use US military equipment? A lot. It doesn't make their military better than ours. You get some of the equipment, but not all. The UK military is well more advanced and armed than France or Germany. Sorry, but that's the truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    As for politically world wide. Yes the UK has quite a bit of vocal power out there, but the soft power is far higher for the Germans especially. Their economic power is far bigger than the UK's and hence they are listened too and respected far more than the British. The only claim the British have is historical links to former colonies (like France), but even that is becoming less and less as those colonies themselves become powerful on all fronts.
    Outside Europe, UK is viewed as the dominate country of Europe and has more political sway with international politics than either France or Germany. All France can do is sell food for oil with Saddam's old regime, and Germany is too busy pretending WW II never happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    or were forced out due to their opinions and links to the US.
    Thank you for proving my point. This is exactly what I said. It's all your anti-American stuff. You view UK too much like the US (which isn't true), and engage in slander and hatred against them because of it. Man you people are full of yourselves. You're so stuck up, you carry these huge anti-American feelings for no reason. And you carry them to such degree that you'll point your hate at anyone or anything remotely like the United States. It's PATHETIC. And that's fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    As for Germany being "weak" politically. Dont confuse soft politics with lack of power. That Germany does not go out and demand things of people like the UK and US, does not mean that their political power is not great. They are the wise grandfather that sits in the background while the grandchildren have arguments about silly things and when Germany does open their mouths, everyone listens. And yes France is often one of those "grandchildren"
    The wise grandfather rounds up Jews and kills them in mass? Man, I'm glad I wasn't part of that family. And Germany wasn't isolated from the economic mess. They based their markets on American consumerism. Which is why they were continually demanding that America continue to buy German crap at the same rate when the economy slowed down initially. This is nothing more than some slanted view based on your BIGOTRY and HATRED. And that too is fact

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Germany is in many ways, like the Japanese. Their military power is weak, and they rarely speak up and make asses of themselves on a world stage, but they are one of the largest (if not the largest) financing of aid in all forms around the world... along with.. Germany.
    You do know how reliant Japan is on America, right?
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Doesnt the UK have nukes?
    Regardless. If someone used nukes the whole world would turn against them. And since there will never be the use of nukes conventional armies would have to be used. And I do believe Germany would win.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Society wise...What!? Do you read what you type or does it all such sorta puke itself out on the keyboard. How the hell is the UK dependent upon the US for society? They're not like us, they're government is too aggressive against the rights and liberties of the individual.

    They have their own politics, they don't need the US. They have their own economy, they don't need the US.



    The economic collapse was fueled by their banks buying bad morgages from our banks. The collapse ultimately happened because regulations on the side of the US were relaxed to match those of Europe in terms of banks leveraging. The leverage was not sustainable, and our involvement in it pushed the system over board.

    There's not a lot of similarities between the US and the UK, we don't even use the same form of English (the British slaughter the English language). The government is different, the attitudes are different, etc. If the UK was the European US, they'd be a hell of a lot cooler than they actually are.



    Numbers does not equate into better. The UK has the better military because it is better trained and better armed wit better technology. It could hands down beat the snot out of France or Germany's military. Any day of the week.



    They may use some of their stuff. Hell, how many countries use US military equipment? A lot. It doesn't make their military better than ours. You get some of the equipment, but not all. The UK military is well more advanced and armed than France or Germany. Sorry, but that's the truth.



    Outside Europe, UK is viewed as the dominate country of Europe and has more political sway with international politics than either France or Germany. All France can do is sell food for oil with Saddam's old regime, and Germany is too busy pretending WW II never happened.



    Thank you for proving my point. This is exactly what I said. It's all your anti-American stuff. You view UK too much like the US (which isn't true), and engage in slander and hatred against them because of it. Man you people are full of yourselves. You're so stuck up, you carry these huge anti-American feelings for no reason. And you carry them to such degree that you'll point your hate at anyone or anything remotely like the United States. It's PATHETIC. And that's fact.



    The wise grandfather rounds up Jews and kills them in mass? Man, I'm glad I wasn't part of that family. And Germany wasn't isolated from the economic mess. They based their markets on American consumerism. Which is why they were continually demanding that America continue to buy German crap at the same rate when the economy slowed down initially. This is nothing more than some slanted view based on your BIGOTRY and HATRED. And that too is fact



    You do know how reliant Japan is on America, right?
    the british slaughter the english language????????????????????????
    i beg to differ with whom slaughters the language

    and get over ww2, nazi actions have nothing to do with the present german economy

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Of course, the German's don't fight. Do they even carry weapons? They are more like the Boy Scouts on a camping trip. The British have recent combat experience.
    The Germans fight as much as the French. And still the British experience in Iraq and Afghanistan is not good enough because not enough of their soldiers took part in the fight. The SAS and SBS though that is an entire different story.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    Regardless. If someone used nukes the whole world would turn against them. And since there will never be the use of nukes conventional armies would have to be used. And I do believe Germany would win.
    With or without Nukes, the Germans would be hard pressed getting to the UK. Firstly our missiles are far more superior than the Germans. They'd loose alot of men and ships just getting to the UK. Not to mention they lack in the Naval area when compared to Briton. Lastly, if the Nukes where used at sea to take out a nice handful of war and cargo ships, in such an isolated place, i doubt it would be that hard for the British Defence ministry to press the big red button. And, the UK has far better contacts on the international stage; full US backing, something Germany is seriously lacking, especially France.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    the british slaughter the english language????????????????????????
    i beg to differ with whom slaughters the language

    and get over ww2, nazi actions have nothing to do with the present german economy
    The WWII comment was when someone called Germany the wise grandfather. I was saying, I'm glad I'm not in that family because the grandfather was crazy in his youth.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The WWII comment was when someone called Germany the wise grandfather. I was saying, I'm glad I'm not in that family because the grandfather was crazy in his youth.

    Now, if you have something worthwhile to contribute, please do. But if it's more crap, do your best to keep it to yourself.
    ok, crap to myself it is

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