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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    To answer the question. Depends on what you define as "powerful".

    But of the 3, Germany hands down.

    Germany's economy is by far the largest and it is still the largest exporter in the world last I looked (at worst in the top 3).

    Germany also has the largest standing military force in Western Europe (barely larger than the French but considerably larger than the British).

    France has the second biggest economy in Europe, which gives it the second place. This gives also political power along with Germany. Plus its military over all with reserves and paramilitary units is the largest in Europe, which gives also some power.

    The UK has next to no real power in Europe due to its Europe sceptic wing and its utter dependence on the US. Basically, the UK is turning more and more into the "black sheep" of the family. Its military might be more active, but it is smaller of the 3. What the UK does have going for it as just about the only thing (but a very critical thing for Europe as well) is the City of London. What the UK also has a considerable impact on is the popular culture of Europe.. music and movies.

    But one that is missing on the list is Russia. It is technically part of Europe, and its military might makes it powerful, plus its economic might on especially energy makes it a country to be respected when it comes to over all political/economic/military power.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Excluding Russia, since it's mostly existing on an Asian land, rather than a European one, the most powerful nation in Europe would have to be France.

    There are three major factors in what makes a state "powerful", and those would be military power, political power and an economy power.

    In economy, Germany's economy is the biggest out of all three, with a difference of about 800 billion USD between Germany and France, and nearly a 1 trillion difference between Germany and the UK, making it the 4th biggest economy in the world.

    In military, the strongest armed European force is the French army, judging by the factors of size, capability, reliability, quality, training, and above all - experience.
    Slightly below France, comes the United Kingdom, with nearly the same skill, training, quality, experience and capability, but a smaller size.
    Way below these two European nations comes Germany, with an army that, while still considered "in the same league" with the UK and France, cannot compete them in a simulation of an actual war, mainly due to the quality of the weapons and the power projecting capability of the state.

    Politically, the United Kingdom has, quite noticeably, the biggest influence worldwide.
    France comes second, with an influence slightly lower than that of the UK.
    Germany comes the third, with an influence that is lower than that of France, even though barely noticeable.

    Considering all of the above factors, and especially considering the differences between the 'performance' of the nations in each of the above factors, puts the ranking as the following:

    1. France
    2. United Kingdom
    3. Germany

    Germany has the biggest economy, but this is the only factor where it is superior to any of the other two nations.
    It receives its third place mainly due to its military capability.
    The UK is the most worldwide influencing entity in Europe, but its economy is by far weaker than that of the two, especially than that of Germany.
    It is overall very powerful, but not powerful enough for the title "the most powerful nation in Europe".
    France has a combination of a very well-trained military force, a decent worldwide political influence, and the second biggest economy in Europe, and that is the reason why it is the most powerful state in that region.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    To answer the question. Depends on what you define as "powerful".

    But of the 3, Germany hands down.

    Germany's economy is by far the largest and it is still the largest exporter in the world last I looked (at worst in the top 3).

    Germany also has the largest standing military force in Western Europe (barely larger than the French but considerably larger than the British).

    France has the second biggest economy in Europe, which gives it the second place. This gives also political power along with Germany. Plus its military over all with reserves and paramilitary units is the largest in Europe, which gives also some power.

    The UK has next to no real power in Europe due to its Europe sceptic wing and its utter dependence on the US. Basically, the UK is turning more and more into the "black sheep" of the family. Its military might be more active, but it is smaller of the 3. What the UK does have going for it as just about the only thing (but a very critical thing for Europe as well) is the City of London. What the UK also has a considerable impact on is the popular culture of Europe.. music and movies.

    But one that is missing on the list is Russia. It is technically part of Europe, and its military might makes it powerful, plus its economic might on especially energy makes it a country to be respected when it comes to over all political/economic/military power.
    The UK is not dependent upon the US. The UK and the US maybe have very friendly relations, but one isn't dependent upon the other. The UK has one of the strongest militaries in Europe. It may not be on the "size" of Germany's, but it's well more advanced. Their political power is probably the highest in Western Europe. The UK holds more influence places other than Europe (yes, it's hard for maybe some of you to understand, there's more than Europe).

    I think some of the anti-UK stuff comes from the same anti-US folk who argue against it just to argue against it. And I think this sorta hatred for the UK is rooted in the same sort of thing. There are things about the UK to not like, mostly their laws and Big Brother attitude. But there's no doubting their influence and in terms of global politics other nations listen to the UK before France or Germany. Germany is a powerhouse of production, it's what they do. But politically they're rather weak. And even if they have a large military in numbers, but number doesn't make better.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

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    Reading your comment gave me a very strong feeling that you have taken a great responsibility on yourself to deliver an utter bull**** under the transparent disguise of what might be bizarrely mistaken as actual facts to your fellow human beings on this board.

    An advice to you as to how to avoid such unfortunate crapreachings on a public forum in the future would be to avoid making the following statements:

    -Germany's army is stronger than France's

    -H&K guns are considered the best in the world

    -The GSG9 is one of the best special forces in the world (Well actually that might as well be true, it really depends on the limit for the term "one of the", we don't wanna count all 250+ nations in, right?)

    -Russia would be defeated in a modern war with Germany

    To conclude, I believe that we have a lot to learn from your wisdom on this board...
    On issues such as Global warming, that is.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Excluding Russia, since it's mostly existing on an Asian land, rather than a European one, the most powerful nation in Europe would have to be France.

    There are three major factors in what makes a state "powerful", and those would be military power, political power and an economy power.

    In economy, Germany's economy is the biggest out of all three, with a difference of about 800 billion USD between Germany and France, and nearly a 1 trillion difference between Germany and the UK, making it the 4th biggest economy in the world.

    In military, the strongest armed European force is the French army, judging by the factors of size, capability, reliability, quality, training, and above all - experience.
    Slightly below France, comes the United Kingdom, with nearly the same skill, training, quality, experience and capability, but a smaller size.
    Way below these two European nations comes Germany, with an army that, while still considered "in the same league" with the UK and France, cannot compete them in a simulation of an actual war, mainly due to the quality of the weapons and the power projecting capability of the state.

    Politically, the United Kingdom has, quite noticeably, the biggest influence worldwide.
    France comes second, with an influence slightly lower than that of the UK.
    Germany comes the third, with an influence that is lower than that of France, even though barely noticeable.

    Considering all of the above factors, and especially considering the differences between the 'performance' of the nations in each of the above factors, puts the ranking as the following:

    1. France
    2. United Kingdom
    3. Germany

    Germany has the biggest economy, but this is the only factor where it is superior to any of the other two nations.
    It receives its third place mainly due to its military capability.
    The UK is the most worldwide influencing entity in Europe, but its economy is by far weaker than that of the two, especially than that of Germany.
    It is overall very powerful, but not powerful enough for the title "the most powerful nation in Europe".
    France has a combination of a very well-trained military force, a decent worldwide political influence, and the second biggest economy in Europe, and that is the reason why it is the most powerful state in that region.
    And the French military is experienced how? The forces they use in Africa are their special forces and it is not even a large amount. After reading much on the internet about the French and German army I have concluded that currently the French military is more powerful, but the potential is there for Germany.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    germany, the other two are quite odorous, what with the poms never bathing and all the garlic the frogs eat

    and thats my valuable contribution to this discussion

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The UK is not dependent upon the US. The UK and the US maybe have very friendly relations, but one isn't dependent upon the other. The UK has one of the strongest militaries in Europe. It may not be on the "size" of Germany's, but it's well more advanced. Their political power is probably the highest in Western Europe. The UK holds more influence places other than Europe (yes, it's hard for maybe some of you to understand, there's more than Europe).
    The UK is very dependent on the US. Not only for political backing but also economically and society wise. The UK is nothing but a mini US in Europe in many ways these days. There is far far more similaritis between the US and UK, than with the UK and Europe when it comes to society and including economical. As an example, the credit cruch and crisis. The UK was hit hard because it followed the American model of using debt to finance economic growth. Brits had less personal debt than Americans, but had far far far more than the average European. Now the average Brit has more personal unsecured debt (aka credit card debt) than Americans.

    As for the UK military. It is the smaller of the 3, this is a fact. The only reason it is seen as stronger is because it is used far more actively than the others as it is UK policy to follow the US regardless.

    As for the equipment... hardly. Many of the weapons the Germans and French use, are the same as the British. The Germans use British helicopters and the Brits use German trucks and what not. The difference in equipment is not that big. As for the French, their equipment is often more advanced than the British, relatively speaking, but again much of it is similar.

    As for politically world wide. Yes the UK has quite a bit of vocal power out there, but the soft power is far higher for the Germans especially. Their economic power is far bigger than the UK's and hence they are listened too and respected far more than the British. The only claim the British have is historical links to former colonies (like France), but even that is becoming less and less as those colonies themselves become powerful on all fronts.

    I think some of the anti-UK stuff comes from the same anti-US folk who argue against it just to argue against it. And I think this sorta hatred for the UK is rooted in the same sort of thing. There are things about the UK to not like, mostly their laws and Big Brother attitude. But there's no doubting their influence and in terms of global politics other nations listen to the UK before France or Germany. Germany is a powerhouse of production, it's what they do. But politically they're rather weak. And even if they have a large military in numbers, but number doesn't make better.
    Anti-UK stuff? It is pure facts. The UK has for a long time been on the relative side lines in European politics, because that is where they either wanted to be or were forced out due to their opinions and links to the US. That is a fact, it can not be denied. That does not mean they dont have influence, but what it does mean is that they dont have the relative influence in conjunction with the economic/military power in the region. Countries like Spain, Poland and Italy have the same if not more "political power" and influence in European politics than the UK. This is not anti-UK stuff, it is facts. Considering the UK is the 3rd largest economy in Europe, it should have far more political power in Europe than it has.

    As for Germany being "weak" politically. Dont confuse soft politics with lack of power. That Germany does not go out and demand things of people like the UK and US, does not mean that their political power is not great. They are the wise grandfather that sits in the background while the grandchildren have arguments about silly things and when Germany does open their mouths, everyone listens. And yes France is often one of those "grandchildren"

    Germany is in many ways, like the Japanese. Their military power is weak, and they rarely speak up and make asses of themselves on a world stage, but they are one of the largest (if not the largest) financing of aid in all forms around the world... along with.. Germany.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    And the French military is experienced how? The forces they use in Africa are their special forces and it is not even a large amount. After reading much on the internet about the French and German army I have concluded that currently the French military is more powerful, but the potential is there for Germany.
    The French I believe can only constitutionally use Legionaries outside French territory, and I dare any one claim that the French Legionaries are a weak and pathetic force.....
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The French I believe can only constitutionally use Legionaries outside French territory, and I dare any one claim that the French Legionaries are a weak and pathetic force.....
    the French Legionaries are a weak and pathetic force..there, i did it, i dared claim it, and there nothing the french can do...say, does anyone else smell gunpowder and garli...........................................

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    Germany has a STRONGER ARMY. It could easily defeat GB if it were 1v1.
    Doesnt the UK have nukes?
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