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    58 45.67%
  • United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

    46 36.22%
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    12 9.45%
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we attacked cuba with our military? angola? yeah those french really were able to do all that on their own in WWII
    dien bien phu-yeah that was an astounding French victory.

    what wars did we lose? help me out on that one. remind me who occupied us for 6 years and who most of our leaders collaborated with during the occupation.

    your best fighting force is called the FOREIGN LEGION.

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    Yes, you did attack Cuba and Angola with your military. How did you not know this? Look them up. There's no debate -- it's a fact. Both times, you lost.

    Secondly, "on their own" means nothing in a World War II context -- nobody was able to do anything "on their own" in World War II. What did the Americans do "on their own" in World War II?

    Dien Bien Phu was not an astounding French victory -- but it was significantly more impactual towards the North Vietnamese than any single battle the Americans fought during their war in Vietnam -- which I might remind you, you lost -- with a much higher death toll and much less success than the French occupation there.

    Furthermore, the Americans have lost five "major" wars since the formal creation of your state -- and they are, in chronological order, the Caribbean War, the War of 1812, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and the Angolan War.

    It says something that the only people who contest any of these American defeats are American themselves.


    And finally, don't talk to me about the French Foreign Legion -- I served for five years with that very force. I'll have you know that about 25% of the service members are French, and 100% of the officers are French.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Yes, you did attack Cuba and Angola with your military. How did you not know this? Look them up. There's no debate -- it's a fact. Both times, you lost.

    Secondly, "on their own" means nothing in a World War II context -- nobody was able to do anything "on their own" in World War II. What did the Americans do "on their own" in World War II?

    Dien Bien Phu was not an astounding French victory -- but it was significantly more impactual towards the North Vietnamese than any single battle the Americans fought during their war in Vietnam -- which I might remind you, you lost -- with a much higher death toll and much less success than the French occupation there.

    Furthermore, the Americans have lost five "major" wars since the formal creation of your state -- and they are, in chronological order, the Caribbean War, the War of 1812, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and the Angolan War.

    It says something that the only people who contest any of these American defeats are American themselves.


    And finally, don't talk to me about the French Foreign Legion -- I served for five years with that very force. I'll have you know that about 25% of the service members are French, and 100% of the officers are French.
    LOL, after TET the vietcong was pretty much finished-our press convinced the public we had lost when in reality we had crushed the NVA and VC.

    The FFL is good mainly because its members are from all over the place. But France has been a nation of cowards for years. You guys bent over backwards to help the Nazis. look it up



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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL, after TET the vietcong was pretty much finished-our press convinced the public we had lost when in reality we had crushed the NVA and VC.

    The FFL is good mainly because its members are from all over the place. But France has been a nation of cowards for years. You guys bent over backwards to help the Nazis. look it up
    I am very familiar with the Vichy French collaboration period -- and I am also very familiar with the Free French Army's victories across Europe and North Africa, as well as the thousands of brave French who died fighting the guerrilla war against the Nazis and collaborators.

    Now, would you please, please show me a single other example of French cowardice? Because I think your entire misguided and politicised argument comes from the collaboration period from 1941 to 1944, and you still totally disregard the mountains of evidence FROM THAT VERY TIME PERIOD that proves French courage in the form of the Resistance and the FFA -- not to mention two thousand years of being one of the dominant military powers on the planet before that (as well as after).

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I'd also like to note that one of the wars America lost was the Caribbean War (sometimes called the Quasi-War in the States) TO FRANCE.
    Not that I really give a **** about which side won more battles hundreds of years ago, but in what alternate universe was this:

    a) a war, and
    b) a French victory?

    Quasi-War: Definition from Answers.com

    By May 1798, the U.S. war sloop Ganges was guarding the coast between Long Island and the Chesapeake, joined in June by the Constellation and the United States. In July 1798, Stephen Decatur, on the sloop Delaware, captured the French schooner Croyable off New Jersey. After the British navy defeated French forces in the Battle of the Nile (1 August 1798), the U.S. Navy drove the French away from the U.S. coast to the Caribbean. Ten important naval engagements ensued, six of them in February and March 1799. The Americans lost only once: the Retaliation (formerly the Croyable) was captured in November 1798. In February 1799, the Constellation captured the frigate L’Insurgente. The French captain blamed U.S. Capt. Thomas Truxtun for provoking war between the United States and France.

    Despite ship‐to‐ship actions and U.S. support for former slave Toussaint Louverture's independence movement on Haiti, neither side declared war. Adams resisted Federalist pressure for war; while congressional Federalists created a provisional army with Washington as commander in chief and Alexander Hamilton as second in command, Adams favored a strong navy to make the United States independent of both England and France. The French Army, he told Hamilton, was more likely to invade heaven than the United States.

    Napoleon's coup d’ état on 9 November 1799 changed French politics and policy. Needing the support of neutral Denmark and Sweden, he returned in December 1799 to the principle that neutral ships make neutral goods. American diplomats at the Hague (William Vans Murray) and Berlin (John Quincy Adams) sent word that France wanted to negotiate. In November 1799, Adams dispatched official envoys to France.
    Summary: The US and the France were pissy at each other, they sent nasty letters back and forth, and a double handful of ships fired at each other. The US captured more ships than the French, Napoleon gave the French leadership a swift kick in the dick, and then the French asked the US to negotiate. Not sure how that's a war or a french victory.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Russia cannot properly fund a serious war machine with oil alone. With an economy primarily driven on oil exports (and exports in general), the act of war would do much to temporarily sever many or all trade ties during conflict.

    I have no doubt Germany could become a major military power given time and need. However, it is France that is the major military power in Europe, not GB. IMHO of course or until they surrender
    No UK policies have been implemented in Europe the past 30 years.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    Germany, economics define todays power.
    Not really. If the German effort was there they could build a good navy comparable to GB and then the fight would be all over for GB.

    I'm suprised noone has said Russia? Maybe not enough posts yet.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidwillson View Post
    Not really. If the German effort was there they could build a good navy comparable to GB and then the fight would be all over for GB.

    I'm suprised noone has said Russia? Maybe not enough posts yet.
    I said Russia as did at least a couple posters above my post (I read the opening post and replied before reading other comments)

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I am very familiar with the Vichy French collaboration period -- and I am also very familiar with the Free French Army's victories across Europe and North Africa, as well as the thousands of brave French who died fighting the guerrilla war against the Nazis and collaborators.
    One comment, Dien Bien Phu. (all other French defeats pale in comparison)
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    One comment, Dien Bien Phu. (all other French defeats pale in comparison)
    endocrine system failures. the French couldn't fathom the VM getting artillery in a position to harass their fortified positions but charlie managed to hump cannon up the cliffs and hills and it was bad news for the French after that,

    the French lost because they projected French weakness on their enemies and planned for French level opposition



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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    endocrine system failures. the French couldn't fathom the VM getting artillery in a position to harass their fortified positions but charlie managed to hump cannon up the cliffs and hills and it was bad news for the French after that,

    the French lost because they projected French weakness on their enemies and planned for French level opposition
    Yup! Also puts a whole new perspective on French "military strategy"..............................."We'll take the low ground!"
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