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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    Not really, Russia was exposed to Romaic culture via the Byzantines whose culture had diverged from classical roman at that point.

    Are you going to tell me next that Iran is a Roman culture because Shah is a cognate of Caesar?
    You're forgetting why they started using the term. Focus on that and you'll find your answer. William of Orange was married to Anna Pavlovna, Maximillian 1 recognised the Russian empire. The point is, Russia adopted law that had its roots in roman times (cicero). And that's just one aspect, you also seem to have forgotten the influence of the renaissance, classicism and neo-classicism.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    You're forgetting why they started using the term. Focus on that and you'll find your answer. William of Orange was married to Anna Pavlovna, Maximillian 1 recognised the Russian empire. The point is, Russia adopted law that had its roots in roman times (cicero). And that's just one aspect, you also seem to have forgotten the influence of the renaissance, classicism and neo-classicism.
    As opposed to France, Italy, Spain, Greece, and to a lesser extent Germany which have direct heritage in Romaic culture? Russia is in a class of its own in terms of culture versus Western Europe, with divergent interests and political alleigances.

    Just because Ivan married Sophia Palaiologos doesn't make Russian culture any more Western European.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    As opposed to France, Italy, Spain, Greece, and to a lesser extent Germany which have direct heritage in Romaic culture? Russia is in a class of its own in terms of culture versus Western Europe, with divergent interests and political alleigances.

    Just because Ivan married Sophia Palaiologos doesn't make Russian culture any more Western European.
    It wasn't out of love, get it?

    So now you have to differenciate between different types of heritage, in order to maintain your ground.

    You can argue if Russia is a european country or not. I'd say it's more european than anything else, maybe a status aparte within Europe, but still, european. If you want to make the case that Russia is not european, roman heritage wont do you much good though.

    direct heritage..., new concept for me.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    It wasn't out of love, get it?

    Ah, so now you have to differenciate between different types of heritage, in order to maintain your ground.
    I was bitching about heritage and culture from the start. I don't know what forum you were reading from.

    You can argue if Russia is a european country or not. I'd say it's more european than anything else, maybe a status aparte within Europe, but still, european. If you want to make the case that Russia is not european, roman heritage wont do you much good though.
    And I would say the former Soviet sphere is a socio-cultural sphere of its own versus Western Europe and the Anglosphere.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    I was bitching about heritage and culture from the start. I don't know what forum you were reading from.


    You quoted my comment, not the other way around.

    I'll never make that mistake again.

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post


    You quoted my comment, not the other way around.

    I'll never make that mistake again.
    Your point is what exactly?

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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Actually, Russia is far and away the most powerful nation in Europe.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Warspite View Post
    As opposed to France, Italy, Spain, Greece, and to a lesser extent Germany which have direct heritage in Romaic culture? Russia is in a class of its own in terms of culture versus Western Europe, with divergent interests and political alleigances.

    Just because Ivan married Sophia Palaiologos doesn't make Russian culture any more Western European.
    Its not geographically Western Europe so Roman heritage wouldnt change much either way.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    There is an abundance of roman heritage in Russia, I allready showed you the connection between Cicero, the law, and the church. The orthodox church in itself traces its development back to the classical, roman period.

    The question what defines european is not only geographical, unless you're debating about geography. In terms of geography, Russia is partly european.
    Europe is a continent and if your in it, your European. There is no criteria that suggests otherwise which includes Roman heritage. I believe the term European is strictly geographical. And if any culture defines a European society its Christianity in general. Though a now cosmopolitized Europe is hard to define in terms of culture and society.
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    Re: What is the most powerful nation in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Europe is a continent and if your in it, your European. There is no criteria that suggests otherwise which includes Roman heritage. I believe the term European is strictly geographical. And if any culture defines a European society its Christianity in general. Though a now cosmopolitized Europe is hard to define in terms of culture and society.
    Asia is also a continent Kaya and if you're in it..., well?

    I'm a simpleton, I googled Russia and found this on wiki:

    The nation's history began with that of the East Slavs, who emerged as a recognizable group in Europe between the 3rd and 8th centuries AD. Founded and ruled by a noble Viking warrior class and their descendants, the first East Slavic state, Kievan Rus', arose in the 9th century and adopted Orthodox Christianity from the Byzantine Empire in 988 , beginning the synthesis of Byzantine and Slavic cultures that defined Russian culture for the next millennium. Kievan Rus' ultimately disintegrated and the lands were divided into many small feudal states.

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